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Re: Google: Angular and Wiz Are Merging

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Post by adrianmsmith »

ta988 wrote: post #41
pavlov wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google today feels like Nokia of the mid-2000s. Victim of its own massive success, taken over by internal politics and divisions. Employs lots of smart people who figured out key ideas for next-gen tech early, but the organization is unable to take any of those innovations to market. And so it’s just stuck milking its cash cow. Google’s AI strategy is as clear as Nokia’s smartphone software strategy was.

They took some of the best brains, spoiled them with high salaries and glory and took their best years to make them work on dumb problems and projects that were cancelled at various stages of their life.

Those best brains did produce lots of interesting things, back in the day (not recently). The Google search algorithm, the ads auctioning system, Gmail, Golang, certain parts of Google Cloud like BigQuery (create relational tables, just stuff data in there, just scales by itself without "provisioning", write SQL queries including joins e.g. over hundreds of billions of rows...)

Re: Google: Angular and Wiz Are Merging

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Post by agotterer »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #45
ts330 wrote: post #3

Exciting? Possibly for those involved. I hate to say this, as I'm generally optimistic towards most developments like this, but over the last decade I've become so apathetic towards anything and everything from Google. They've lost so much mindshare and credibility. Their org structure leads to stagnation left, right and centre. I'd rather tolerate the poor status quo in React land than take any sort of bet on Google…

Everyday that Sundar is still CEO leaves me more and more bewildered. I cannot figure out how Brin and Page (who together own voting majority) look at google of 2024 and say "Yup, this is what we want Google to be".

The goal of a public company is to increase shareholder value. Hard to argue that Sundar hasn’t done that. Revenue has increased 5 years straight. Market cap with the exception of a dip during Covid is strong and is approaching its all time high.

As a Goolgle user and long time admirer, there have certainly been some disappointments and mistakes over the years. But there’s also been some major accomplishments which people sometimes overlook.

While still early, Waymo seems to be on the right trajectory and may be a key player in autonomous vehicles. Let’s not forget Googles work on transformers, which is heavily responsible for the current AI boom. That’s just two that come to mind, I’m sure there are others. Maybe these were started before Sundar, but he’s been CEO for almost 9 years now. So he gets credit.

Google may have some culture challenges to work through, brain drain, and identity issues. But I don’t think their story is written just yet. With a giant stock pile of cash they have plenty of time and resources to buy or figure their way out of any perceived issues (if that’s even what they need to do).

Microsoft did it. And if you really want to have your mind blown, go take a look at IBMs stock chart. I didn’t expect to see it approaching an all time high.

Re: Google: Angular and Wiz Are Merging

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Post by twelfthnight »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #45
ts330 wrote: post #3

Exciting? Possibly for those involved. I hate to say this, as I'm generally optimistic towards most developments like this, but over the last decade I've become so apathetic towards anything and everything from Google. They've lost so much mindshare and credibility. Their org structure leads to stagnation left, right and centre. I'd rather tolerate the poor status quo in React land than take any sort of bet on Google…

Everyday that Sundar is still CEO leaves me more and more bewildered. I cannot figure out how Brin and Page (who together own voting majority) look at google of 2024 and say "Yup, this is what we want Google to be".

Imagine having the talent and money of Google and accomplishing essentially nothing in ten years, but collecting 200 million a year.

Re: Google: Angular and Wiz Are Merging

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Post by baggachipz »

JamesonNetworks wrote: post #40

Ugh, this isn’t Angular anymore. This will be just like the v1 -> v2 transition. Presignal -> signal. The second they start deprecating the previous syntax, we will hit very difficult migrations

We just got done porting everything from AngularJS to Angular D:

Re: Google: Angular and Wiz Are Merging

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Post by bheadmaster »

twelfthnight wrote: post #57
bheadmaster wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Golang is one of the Google products that I consider revolutionary in programming. But then again, it may just be because they employed the rockstars (Rob Pike, Ken Thomson, and Robert Griesemer) to work on it. I suppose it's less about the company, and more about who the company chooses to work on the project.

I hear "revolutionary" claimed about languages like Rust, Haskell and Zig, but rarely about Go. What about Golang is revolutionary to you?

There are several features that can be considered neat on their own. Most of those features are probably derived from other languages, but together they form a very powerful language that simply takes away the pain that I feel using other modern languages, such as C++, Python, Java and NodeJS.

Here are a few on top of my head:

1) CSP concepts embedded deeply into the language (goroutines/channels/select) making concurrency easy to do correctly

2) Standard Library and Go toolchain providing everything that most languages use third party libraries for (formatting, testing, benchmarking, fuzzing, HTTP, crypto, etc...)

3) Compilation into a static binary that can just be copied from machine to machine without any dependencies whatsoever (even C struggles with that on Linux, due to glibc NSS fiasco)

4) Cross-compilation by changing two environment variables

5) Minimalistic distribution system - just write `import "github.com/person/repository"` - no need for packaging, pom.xml, requirements.txt, package.json, etc.

6) Interface-based modularity (structural typing), making code reuse much easier than the usual OOP-style abstract-class based modularity (nominal typing)

7) Extremely fast compilation, which makes read-modify-run development loop as fast as with interpreted languages

Re: Google: Angular and Wiz Are Merging

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Post by unclebucknasty »

adrianmsmith wrote: post #61
ta988 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They took some of the best brains, spoiled them with high salaries and glory and took their best years to make them work on dumb problems and projects that were cancelled at various stages of their life.

Those best brains did produce lots of interesting things, back in the day (not recently). The Google search algorithm, the ads auctioning system, Gmail, Golang, certain parts of Google Cloud like BigQuery (create relational tables, just stuff data in there, just scales by itself without "provisioning", write SQL queries including joins e.g. over hundreds of billions of rows...)

Don't forget Google Wave.

May 2010 - August 2010.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Wave

Re: Google: Angular and Wiz Are Merging

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Post by cout »

tashoecraft wrote: post #52
chuckadams wrote: post #42

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The template syntax of Angular isn't the problem most people have with it. It's the boilerplate, the forced OOP paradigm, having to work with observables even when they're not appropriate (thus having to understand "hot" vs "cold" observables), and up until recently, having to scatter each component across three different files. And to top it off, when the lack of expressivity is touted as a feature for taming comple…

You have literally never had to scatter each component across three files. From the first release of Angular 2, you had "single file components", with template, styles and js all in one file.

You could do that with angularjs 1.5 components too. But afaik it was/is not standard practice to embed html and css inside your js, because many (most?) editors treat html inside a string as a string instead of as html.

Re: Google: Angular and Wiz Are Merging

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Post by twelfthnight »

agotterer wrote: post #62
Workaccount2 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyday that Sundar is still CEO leaves me more and more bewildered. I cannot figure out how Brin and Page (who together own voting majority) look at google of 2024 and say "Yup, this is what we want Google to be".

The goal of a public company is to increase shareholder value. Hard to argue that Sundar hasn’t done that. Revenue has increased 5 years straight. Market cap with the exception of a dip during Covid is strong and is approaching its all time high. As a Goolgle user and long time admirer, there have certainly been some disappointments and mistakes over the years. But there’s also been some major accomplishments which p…

What choice can you point to that has increased Google's market cap? Google's search quality is deteriorating, Waymo is yet to make a profit, GCP is struggling, "Attention is all you need" was too early on to credit Sundar, and since then Google's reputation is flagging due to embarrassing AI models...

I think Google's market cap is increase _despite_ Sundar, not because. That said, Google does have enough resources to turn it around, I just don't think Sundar is the right person to do it.

Re: Google: Angular and Wiz Are Merging

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Post by ildjarn »

adrianmsmith wrote: post #59
twelfthnight wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hear "revolutionary" claimed about languages like Rust, Haskell and Zig, but rarely about Go. What about Golang is revolutionary to you?

The way concurrency works is pretty unique amongst mainstream languages. Java has just copied some parts of how concurrency works in Go, but that's nearly 20 years after Go was released. It's extremely easy to start up code concurrently with "go foo()". You can start up lots of such functions concurrently, as it works in userspace. Like async code, but no "colored functions" problem.

Colored functions is only a problem in JS

Re: Google: Angular and Wiz Are Merging

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Post by lakomen »

I've been working with Angular for 2 years, then moved to Vue and have been with it for, idk 3-4 years now. I like the theory of Angular, the modularity, the way it works, but I HATE rxjs and the complexity of it. And the whole thing on top of rxjs, ngrx. You can't just simply take one value and compare it, no you have to use pipes and rxjs.

Also there's an Angular discord and they're very hostile towards anyone not fanboi-ing Angular. I was about 6 months into Vue and wrote how I prefer it, for its simplicity. Then I was constantly harassed until I was kick/banned. With another account I saw, "HEIL ANGULAR o/" written in the chat.

That's just stupid. You have to be open minded. Angular has good things, but Vue has good things too and even React does.

Never heard of Wiz before.

Almost a year ago I created an Android developer account I believe it's called and paid the bill. The name on the invoice was wrong. I wanted them to update the invoice They responded with, "This is America, we do what we like" more or less. Ok, no problem, I have better things to do. Since I haven't published anything in almost 1 year, they're now threatening to close the account, I paid the $25 for.

My adsense account, no new sites are being approved anymore, previously I could add any site without confirmation, even if it was new. I had a site that made them and me over 150k, but I got into a fight with my partner of that site and the main domain was shut down. I took the content and published it on another domain. Over 7 years of daily mp3 files and images. The 1st domain had adsense approval, the new one didn't. They didn't approve the 2nd domain. Talking to them is not possible.

Google is spiraling downward. They're essentially cutting into their own flesh. Since Darth Sundar took over it's become progressively worse. All the wrong and used hostile decisions.

I still use and like Go, but I'm afraid what will become of it in the future.

It's unlikely I'll return to Angular. It's just too time inefficient and also slower compared to the other frameworks.

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