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Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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You're not the only person: https://web.stanford.edu/group/scpnt/gpslab/pubs/papers/Liu_... TL;DR: It's weak signal, not jamming. The weak signal reports come from military training aircraft carrying out maneuvers that cause temporary signal loss.

really? unless they're jamming it, how would that happen?

Rapidly execute a series of maneuvers (flips, rolls) that cause the radios to lose signal.

Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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This is suspiciously similar to `gpsjam.org`. It's useful, for sure, and it does use readily-available ADS-B data that FR24 (and ADSBExchange) uses anyway, but the data viz is just eerily similar.

Then again, I'm not very GIS/geodesy minded, so maybe hexagons are the best shape that'll tessellate over a sphere easily.

Was this work in any meaningful way inspired by GPSjam? If yes, it'd be nice to have an acknowledgement in there.

Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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What's going on in that part of western australia? It's a very empty area

Grey areas: Few people live there and none have set up a public ADS receiver. And/or no planes flying in the area. https://gpsjam.org/faq/#why-arent-there-red-or-green

Red areas: Military experiments and exercises, probably. https://gpsjam.org/faq/#what-can-cause-aircraft-to-report-lo...

Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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I don't live in that country though

> I don't live in that country though Exactly. You don't live there. Not many people live in the Australian desert. Conclusion: No data or very limited data

Ok, but let's acknowledge the difference between no data (depicted as no colored cell in the map) and data which reports high interference (depicted as a red cell). In remote western Aus we see a few red cells to the west of a large area of empty cells. So they do have ADS-B receivers there, and at least some of them are reporting a troublesome NIC, and there are enough reports for FR24 to place a colored cell there rather than an empty cell. Why exactly do you think that a red cell comes from no data or very limited data, when the article does not indicate that no data / limited data results in a red cell?

Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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post #57

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Yep, this map doesn't show jamming. It shows weak signals, of which jamming is one potential cause. An airplane pointing their GPS receiver at the ground will also cause a weak signal.

How does an airplane "point their GPS receiver at the ground" (for an extended period of time since a combined GNSS/INS positioning solution, which is what all airliners use at this point as far as I know, will need an extended signal loss to report decreased accuracy)?

Probably something like this

https://youtu.be/Ynvoriv09Ks?t=105

Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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post #32

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The hole over Ukraine is definitely the lack of civilian flights. Another notable spot is Kaliningrad, the Russian exclave. It looks relatively normal on some days, like today, but on others like yesterday it's covered by solid red stretching far into Poland, Sweden and even Germany.

> Another notable spot is Kaliningrad, the Russian exclave. It looks relatively normal on some days, like today, but on others like yesterday it's solid red. Oh yeah, I totally forgot that was a thing, and that explains that spur of red in the Baltic. I'd (probably incorrectly) assumed it was some kind of spillover from jamming in Ukraine. I didn't realize you could look at it over multiple days. One interesting thin…

Russians do plenty of jamming that expands beyond their borders in the Baltic, either on purpose or just as a spillover as they don't care. Before Finland joined NATO they used to also violate our airspace on frequent basis, but since then that has stopped.

https://yle.fi/a/74-20079715

Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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This is suspiciously similar to `gpsjam.org`. It's useful, for sure, and it does use readily-available ADS-B data that FR24 (and ADSBExchange) uses anyway, but the data viz is just eerily similar. Then again, I'm not very GIS/geodesy minded, so maybe hexagons are the best shape that'll tessellate over a sphere easily. Was this work in any meaningful way inspired by GPSjam? If yes, it'd be nice to have an acknowledgem…

I can't say if it's inspired by the site you link, but basing your suspicion on the hexagonal shape is very weak, at best. Also, the data seems to be in different resolutions, and the actual jamming data is quite different just looking at both sites.

I've seen hexagons used for maps and boardgames for years.

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