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FTX's Sam Bankman-Fried Should Serve 40 to 50 Years in Prison, Prosecutors Say

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Re: FTX's Sam Bankman-Fried Should Serve 40 to 50 Years in Prison, Prosecutors Say

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For a multitude of reasons, Lewis is an unreliable narrator...

Yes, leave only an accusation without supporting facts or ideas.

Sorry, I stopped being a "citations needed" responder a while ago. You can google for it pretty easily. TLDR, Lewis has been very friendly with everyone he writes about. Whether it's SBF or Tuohys from The Blind Side, he's shown a lack of objectivity, to put it mildly.

Re: FTX's Sam Bankman-Fried Should Serve 40 to 50 Years in Prison, Prosecutors Say

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That is even worse that the regulators knew about the fraud that the banks have allowed and by someone reporting about it can land them in a prison cell.

> even worse that the regulators knew about the fraud What fraud do you think they were covering up? SARs are filed when money laundering is suspected. To the extent something was being covered up, it was money laundering. Not fraud.

> What fraud do you think they were covering up?

The fact that banks such as HSBC failed to flag and stop transactions to a ponzi scheme that they knew about with their 'AML' systems and processed it anyway. [0] This would never have been known before the leak and even worse that the regulators did nothing until the leak.

> SARs are filed when money laundering is suspected. To the extent something was being covered up, it was money laundering. Not fraud.

So not only just fraud that was covered up but money laundering and processing payments for mobsters and drug cartels which the banks allowed and failed to stop it.

This is getting even worse than imagined.

[0] https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-54225572

Re: FTX's Sam Bankman-Fried Should Serve 40 to 50 Years in Prison, Prosecutors Say

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So if he's sentenced to 40 years in federal court ... (this is federal court, right? I forgot) Fed doesn't do parole. Best you can get typically is time for good behavior for like 15% reduction in length. But there's a good chance he doesn't get sentenced to 40 years, that's just what the prosecutor asks for. We dunno yet.

A federal inmate can theoretically get presidential clemency. Obama granted almost 2000 clemencies. Biden, so far, about a dozen + 6500 for simple possession of MJ. Trump was in between with something over 200.

Trump had a particular way of picking

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/22/trump-clemency-recipient-phi...

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/19/ponzi-schemer-granted-clemen...

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/06/us/politics/trump-pardon-...

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/business-and-practice/trump-pa...

frauds, cons, ponzi schemes

Re: FTX's Sam Bankman-Fried Should Serve 40 to 50 Years in Prison, Prosecutors Say

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Can you be more specific about those responsible?

Jamie Dimon should be in prison right now, for one.

Of all of big bank CEOs at the time, this is probably the least arguable case of a CEO that should have been sent to prison. JP Morgan was taking less relative risks than any of the other big banks at the time. It was the only big bank that largely avoided a major credit crunch during the crisis, as they got out of subprime in 2006, before the credit crisis hit. It was also the only bank out of the nine largest in the US at the time that didn't need TARP funds, which allowed them to use the TARP funds that they did receive to buy other banks and businesses.

Re: FTX's Sam Bankman-Fried Should Serve 40 to 50 Years in Prison, Prosecutors Say

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That’s silly in my opinion. I didn’t see any of the actual big wigs go to prison for 2008 but Sam is an easy target with the dual effect of vilifying cryptocurrencies.

Bigwigs have done many things, but most of them weren’t doing things like offering unregistered securities and lying about how they used customer funds for their own investments. Those are crimes in a way that other 2008-stuff generally wasn’t.

Re: FTX's Sam Bankman-Fried Should Serve 40 to 50 Years in Prison, Prosecutors Say

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That’s silly in my opinion. I didn’t see any of the actual big wigs go to prison for 2008 but Sam is an easy target with the dual effect of vilifying cryptocurrencies.

His crimes are closer to those of Bernie Madoff than, say, Jamie Dimon. Madoff was sentenced to 150 years.
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