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Michael Saylor's MicroStrategy Raising Another $500M to Buy More Bitcoin

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Re: Michael Saylor's MicroStrategy Raising Another $500M to Buy More Bitcoin

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The same is true for the US Dollar (the Russians certainly don’t want it). Further, the same has been true for the Argentinian Dollar for decades. Many other currencies that I could name as well.

Oh, russians are those who want it the most.

Ok, Russian government to be clear.

Re: Michael Saylor's MicroStrategy Raising Another $500M to Buy More Bitcoin

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I had always thought of BTC in terms of an alternate currency but I watched a video yesterday with Saylor where he pitched it instead as a store of value. While the concept was not new to me, it was a really interesting video and he did a good job with it. BTC will not replace the dollar, but its probably going to eat gold.

By that comparison, I wouldn't count gold out.

Its physical durability is established. You'll have no problems dealing with a 150-year-old coin, but I could see even things like "paper key/secret" storage falling apart if the appropriate ecosystem isn't there to restore access.

Its volatility is far less than BTC. The dollar still does better by that metric in non-dramatic times, but there's the implicit "if you're looking for alternative value stores, you've probably already turned up your nose to the dollar."

Offline cash in and out is still easier. Most communities have a coin dealer who will happily exchange dollars for sovereigns, or back. Yes, the spread is probably large, but I'd trust a cash-in-hand transaction with a local dealer a lot more than an exchange who will suddenly go into "we no longer offer fiat withdrawls, have some HappyFunCoin instead mode.

Re: Michael Saylor's MicroStrategy Raising Another $500M to Buy More Bitcoin

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What value does it provide?

None. Its a scarce resource that has been mutually agreed upon to be desirable. Much like gold or diamonds. Sure they have some limited use in non jewelry applications but nothing that justifies their prices vs the existing supply besides people just agreeing they are valuable. As a store of value though vs gold it has more positives. Much easier to transport a billion dollars worth of btc than gold. Much easier to s…

I’d add that it has a huge decentralized network of purpose-built hardware securing it, and a huge swarm of decentralized nodes enforcing its rules, and making it hard for a small group of people to change its rules. That’s worth something, it makes it closer to something like gold, which has hard natural physical constraints, but without some of the limitations of physical goods (ease and speed of transferring).

Re: Michael Saylor's MicroStrategy Raising Another $500M to Buy More Bitcoin

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I might be wrong, it can always keep going up, but is it wise to make a big purchase of an asset that has just reached an all-time high? Especially given how volatile BTC is - it could possibly go to 200k or higher, or it could possibly lose 70% in a year like it did in 2022.

You should see the tweets of these guys. Not only they expect it to always go up, they think this is still in early stages and the price of 1 BTC could go to millions of USD.

Re: Michael Saylor's MicroStrategy Raising Another $500M to Buy More Bitcoin

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At today's price, MSTR owns about $14B of Bitcoin and has a market cap of almost $30B. Has anyone here actually used MicroStrategy, the product/service offering? Is the software company behind it worth the implied $16B, or is MSTR essentially just a Bitcoin ETF with a really bad fee ratio? (I’m not even counting the $2B debt on their books) Would I be dumb to do a long BTC / short MSTR pair trade?

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Re: Michael Saylor's MicroStrategy Raising Another $500M to Buy More Bitcoin

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At today's price, MSTR owns about $14B of Bitcoin and has a market cap of almost $30B. Has anyone here actually used MicroStrategy, the product/service offering? Is the software company behind it worth the implied $16B, or is MSTR essentially just a Bitcoin ETF with a really bad fee ratio? (I’m not even counting the $2B debt on their books) Would I be dumb to do a long BTC / short MSTR pair trade?

Accoding to the CEO (Michael Saylor) most of the price premium comes from institutions like pension funds not being allowed to directly hold BTC, but they are allowed to a ratio of the money in stocks. At the same time they need exposure to BTC as an independent asset that performs well (funds have performance mandates).

Of course now that spot ETF is approved it changes the picture somewhat, but it looks like MSTR is still needed as an institutional vehicle for wrapping BTC.

Re: Michael Saylor's MicroStrategy Raising Another $500M to Buy More Bitcoin

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post #64

I might be wrong, it can always keep going up, but is it wise to make a big purchase of an asset that has just reached an all-time high? Especially given how volatile BTC is - it could possibly go to 200k or higher, or it could possibly lose 70% in a year like it did in 2022.

You should see the tweets of these guys. Not only they expect it to always go up, they think this is still in early stages and the price of 1 BTC could go to millions of USD.

Unless there is massive inflation how would that even be possible? At $1 million it becomes close to the value of all gold combined, the GDP of the United States or the market cap of the entire Nasdaq. At that point, where does the money come from to buy more?

Re: Michael Saylor's MicroStrategy Raising Another $500M to Buy More Bitcoin

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Possibly the worst website I remember trying to read on mobile. Finding, reading and not loosing the actual text was a real challenge.. too bad, would have liked to know the content.

Cryptocurrency "news" websites are a new breed of awful combination of advertising monetisation and poor auto-generated AI interpretation trash (with awful grammar) shoved into whatever white-space is left over.

(I think) Coindesk is one of the better ones...

Re: Michael Saylor's MicroStrategy Raising Another $500M to Buy More Bitcoin

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post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should see the tweets of these guys. Not only they expect it to always go up, they think this is still in early stages and the price of 1 BTC could go to millions of USD.

Unless there is massive inflation how would that even be possible? At $1 million it becomes close to the value of all gold combined, the GDP of the United States or the market cap of the entire Nasdaq. At that point, where does the money come from to buy more?

Saylor believes that Bitcoin is a better Gold.

"Bitcoin has all the the metal's great attributes, but none of its problems."

Re: Michael Saylor's MicroStrategy Raising Another $500M to Buy More Bitcoin

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This is a very risky move, considering how leveraged the company already is.

yeah. i would rather raise $ to deploy if BTC falls a lot to buy the dip . buying at 70k seems so foolish

Buying at $10k was foolish, yet here we are. The point being that people will say that at any price point, even though the price always goes beyond all time highs during every bull market.
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