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Porn Sites Need Age-Verification Systems in Texas, Court Rules

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Re: Porn Sites Need Age-Verification Systems in Texas, Court Rules

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Post by MiddleEndian »

lo_zamoyski wrote: post #43
MiddleEndian wrote: post #17

What counts as a porn site? Reddit, Twitter, etc. all have porn on them. Definitely backwards for free speech and the open internet. Also backwards for privacy and security. If anything, sites should be prevented from collecting identifying info unless absolutely necessary.

Porn isn't speech. It falls under obscenity. Questions like > What counts as a porn site? are really stale, and too often sophistic attempts at obfuscating what is rather clear. If banning the production and distribution of pornography is not possible with an outright ban, strangling this monstrous industry through onerous regulation is a pretty good tactic. And it's not new. Israel effectively requires citizens to a…

> Porn isn't speech.

Sure it is. It's just speech some people don't like.

Just because some other government makes a shitty restrictive law doesn't mean the US should make shitty restrictive laws.

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Post by jorvi »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #21
nerdjon wrote: post #10

> Texas cannot enforce a provision requiring porn websites to "display health warnings about the effects of the consumption of pornography." Well at least some common sense prevailed, there is zero reason to have a notice like that. Like I kinda get on paper how you could come to the conclusion of needing to do something like this (the ID part), I mean generally (unless you look a certain age) you do have to show you…

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> and the negative effects seem to be....nothing.

One of my colleagues has a 14-year old daughter, and she has TikTok. It’s not uncommon for girls of her age to post stuff like “the right place for a hand during kissing”, and it’ll be a (subtle) reference to the throat.

There’s nothing wrong with consuming porn at that age per sè, but without good parental / sex ed guidance it shapes kids their concept of what “normal” sex is before they are given the chance to figure that out on their own.

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Post by yau8edq12i »

kstrauser wrote: post #44
0cVlTeIATBs wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The law applies to websites in which more than one-third of the content "is sexual material harmful to minors."

How is “harmful to minors” defined here?

https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/88R/billtext/html/HB01181H...

> (6) "Sexual material harmful to minors" includes any material that:

> (A) the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find, taking the material as a whole and with respect to minors, is designed to appeal to or pander to the prurient interest;

> (B) in a manner patently offensive with respect to minors, exploits, is devoted to, or principally consists of descriptions of actual, simulated, or animated display or depiction of:

> (i) a person's pubic hair, anus, or genitals or the nipple of the female breast;

> (ii) touching, caressing, or fondling of nipples, breasts, buttocks, anuses, or genitals; or

> (iii) sexual intercourse, masturbation, sodomy, bestiality, oral copulation, flagellation, excretory functions, exhibitions, or any other sexual act; and

> (C) taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value for minors.

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

jefftk wrote: post #50
lolinder wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More than 1/3 of the site has to be porn before the law kicks in [0]. [0] https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/88R/billtext/html/HB01181H...

I'm probably thinking too much like an engineer and not a lawyer, but what if the sites this bill is intended to apply to add enough SFW content to push the NSFW below 1/3 of the total? Or does the phrasing of "distributes" mean it needs to be <1/3 of consumption and not just <1/3 of what's available?

I think we've finally found use for AI image generation that doesn't end up in a dystopian hellhole (I suppose the morally uptight would disagree). For every porn video uploaded, upload 2 pieces of AI generated nightmare fuel of the same length.

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Post by yau8edq12i »

nerdjon wrote: post #57
yau8edq12i wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your anecdote isn't data. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_pornography_on_youn... I'm not saying that it's black and white, but I hope we can rise above the level of discourse of "I watched porn when young and turned out just fine". It's about as interesting as e.g., "I started smoking when I was 16 and turned out just fine" or "my parents beat me as a kid and I turned out just fine". First of all, what you m…

The problem with a lot of these studies is they are also done in a society that highly stigmatizes sexuality and porn. Many of these things can also be mitigated by an ability to have open conversations about feelings about what they see. Same with playing violent video games, watching R rated movies, or whatever.

Maybe I should have added, I also hope we can rise above the level of discourse where a single though is viewed as enough to dismiss a bunch of studies.

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Post by twiclo »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #21
nerdjon wrote: post #10

> Texas cannot enforce a provision requiring porn websites to "display health warnings about the effects of the consumption of pornography." Well at least some common sense prevailed, there is zero reason to have a notice like that. Like I kinda get on paper how you could come to the conclusion of needing to do something like this (the ID part), I mean generally (unless you look a certain age) you do have to show you…

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You see no negative effects because your brain grew up on porn just like everyone else you interact with. If everyone is sick then it's going to look normal. To really see the effects of porn you need to ask what could porn affect? Possibly someone's understanding of sexual ethics? Could it push their sexual interests into more and more extreme positions? The generation before has better mental health, less divorce, higher birthrates, etc. Now virtually everything is seen through a sexual lens.

There's a growing problem of women damaging their anuses

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/aug/11/rise-in-popu...

Here's an article talking about a teen girl's attempt to imitate porn:

>A 16-year-old girl’s bowel was so badly injured during group anal sex that she needs to use a colostomy bag for the rest of her life.

https://nypost.com/2019/01/16/teen-suffers-life-changing-inj...

Re: Porn Sites Need Age-Verification Systems in Texas, Court Rules

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Post by MiddleEndian »

lolinder wrote: post #40
MiddleEndian wrote: post #17

What counts as a porn site? Reddit, Twitter, etc. all have porn on them. Definitely backwards for free speech and the open internet. Also backwards for privacy and security. If anything, sites should be prevented from collecting identifying info unless absolutely necessary.

More than 1/3 of the site has to be porn before the law kicks in [0]. [0] https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/88R/billtext/html/HB01181H...

Result (like most bad internet legislation): More content on the internet will be pushed towards one of a few centralized websites (Reddit, Twitter, etc.) which have enough content to dilute it and/or lawyers to handle it.

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Post by coliveira »

gtirloni wrote: post #24
Buttons840 wrote: post #14

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Now we begin discussing a national firewall. With talk of regulating TikTok, I've wondered what the US would do if TikTok sent a notification saying, essentially, "just connect to our servers in China". The kids would do it, and then what? There are a few Internet regulations I've seen discussed that would require a national firewall to achieve their stated goals.

I feel like if there is one country where this wouldn't fly, it's the US. Not only because of the population but politicians would have a hard time justifying it when they openly complain about the same thing in other countries. Not that it has ever stopped them, but it'd be harder I think. The US still projects an image of freedom to the rest of the world. It's certainly not idolized as much as a few decades ago but…

Americans are very comfortable doing things that they condemn in other countries. They only need some silly explanation that ends with liberty or democracy, and they will do anything other countries do.

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Post by Workaccount2 »

SuperNinKenDo wrote: post #45
Workaccount2 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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You really believe the negative effect has been nothing? I totally oppose this law, but I think claiming that widespread access to internet pornography has had no ill effect at all is denying your own lying eyes.

You're free to list these effects.

Obviously the "sex crazed delusional woman abusers" theory didn't play out, ironically domestic abuse fell off cliff as internet porn became widespread. Not saying they are necessarily related, but the prude hot heads of the early 00's were _completely_ wrong.

https://ovc.ojp.gov/sites/g/files/xyckuh226/files/ncvrw2018/...

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