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DBeaver – open-source database client

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Re: DBeaver – open-source database client

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Post by wanderingmind »

zmmmmm wrote: post #59

I know probably 95% of HN will see it as a downside but one of my favorite things about DBeaver is that because it is implemented on Eclipse you can install nearly any Eclipse plugin and they work. So I installed Vrapper to edit in Vi-mode, some git tools I like, PlantUML, etc. Really makes it a step above other tools in terms of the power and flexibility you can have with it. Apart from that, you can install it insi…

Would love to learn how you installed these plugins and tested them. Have you written about this somewhere or can you point to some resources that can help people like me, who use dbeaver but can't customize them well.

Re: DBeaver – open-source database client

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Post by sgarland »

It’s fine, but I maintain that spending a day or three learning SQL will pay dividends far beyond your initial time investment.

That’s not to say you can’t write SQL with a GUI, of course, but judging by the replies it seems like they’re more often used to look at or change tuples via clicking.

Re: DBeaver – open-source database client

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Post by anotherevan »

zmmmmm wrote: post #59

I know probably 95% of HN will see it as a downside but one of my favorite things about DBeaver is that because it is implemented on Eclipse you can install nearly any Eclipse plugin and they work. So I installed Vrapper to edit in Vi-mode, some git tools I like, PlantUML, etc. Really makes it a step above other tools in terms of the power and flexibility you can have with it. Apart from that, you can install it insi…

I've used Vrapper with Eclipse for years, and I've used Dbeaver for years - yet it has never entered my mind before that I could use Vrapper with Dbeaver! Thanks!

Re: DBeaver – open-source database client

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Post by paulryanrogers »

frankbreetz wrote: post #62

Does DBeaver have a feature similar to PGAdmin's schema diff( https://www.pgadmin.org/docs/pgadmin4/development/schema_dif... )? I use this feature quite a bit, if DBeaver has a similar feature. I might try to make the jump.

Yes but not in the community version:

https://github.com/dbeaver/dbeaver/wiki/Schema-compare

Re: DBeaver – open-source database client

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Post by JohnBooty »

worble wrote: post #37
dfee wrote: post #17

I don’t know why it matters to me, but I’ve always been put off by it being ugly and using non-native widgets. That may be the only reason I’ve paid for TablePlus. I’d probably be fine with a great TUI interface, too. So it’s really this intermediate UI that irritates me.

I find it absolutely baffling how often the prettiness of UI comes up as a HN comment. If you asked me objectively "do you think it's pretty?" I'd probably say no, but never once has this even occurred me when using it since I'm usually just trying to get work done, which I find it very useful for. It's a productivity tool, not an art piece I'm hanging on my wall.

I think it's less about aesthetics and more about cognitive load.

Nonstandard UIs aren't end of the world, but if possible I don't want the extra cognitive load of interacting with 5, 6, 7, whatever slightly different GUI paradigms.

Like most developers I'm using multiple applications at once. Typically I'm using a terminal, text editor, browser, Slack, email, and maybe a database GUI.

A developer's cognition and cognitive load are limiting factors. Increase my cognitive load by X% and there is going to be a Y% increase in how long it takes me to do something and/or a Z% decrease in the quality of the work. Even if X% is small, it adds up pretty quickly. After all if we are employed full time that is 2,000+ hours per year of work.

Again, not just aesthetics. It's little things like, "does this software support the standard keyboard shortcuts for my system?" If CMD+W closes a window in every app except one that's kind of a pain. Etc.

Re: DBeaver – open-source database client

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Post by zmmmmm »

wanderingmind wrote: post #61
zmmmmm wrote: post #59

I know probably 95% of HN will see it as a downside but one of my favorite things about DBeaver is that because it is implemented on Eclipse you can install nearly any Eclipse plugin and they work. So I installed Vrapper to edit in Vi-mode, some git tools I like, PlantUML, etc. Really makes it a step above other tools in terms of the power and flexibility you can have with it. Apart from that, you can install it insi…

Would love to learn how you installed these plugins and tested them. Have you written about this somewhere or can you point to some resources that can help people like me, who use dbeaver but can't customize them well.

It's straighforward - it doesn't have the Eclipse Marketplace installed so you have to use direct installation, which just means you have to find the plugin site yourself, which is usually on the web site or github page for the plugin.

So you go to Help => Install New Software and then put eg: the Vrapper update site in:

    http://vrapper.sourceforge.net/update-site/stable
And just go from there.

Re: DBeaver – open-source database client

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Post by dataflow »

worble wrote: post #37
dfee wrote: post #17

I don’t know why it matters to me, but I’ve always been put off by it being ugly and using non-native widgets. That may be the only reason I’ve paid for TablePlus. I’d probably be fine with a great TUI interface, too. So it’s really this intermediate UI that irritates me.

I find it absolutely baffling how often the prettiness of UI comes up as a HN comment. If you asked me objectively "do you think it's pretty?" I'd probably say no, but never once has this even occurred me when using it since I'm usually just trying to get work done, which I find it very useful for. It's a productivity tool, not an art piece I'm hanging on my wall.

I'd argue it's not really about prettiness but about fitting in, so that the UI isn't jarring or distracting. I think the situation would actually be similar if the rest of the system was ugly and one particular app's UI was pretty, rather than the other way around.
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