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New York Times is targeting Wordle clones with DMCA takedowns

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Re: New York Times is targeting Wordle clones with DMCA takedowns

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but you can patent it.

If this is true, why wouldn't Microsoft patent the taskbar or directory structure tree layout pattern in Explorer? I don't think you would be granted a design (let alone utility) patent that is as broad as "green and yellow blocks have significance, is a grid of 5x6, and has a keyboard below". Not a lawyer though so what do I know

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Re: New York Times is targeting Wordle clones with DMCA takedowns

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> In a statement to 404 Media, the Times said: > > The Times has no issue with individuals creating similar word games that do not infringe The Times’s “Wordle” trademarks or copyrighted gameplay. Can you really copyright “gameplay”? This seems like pointless bullying by the Times, who is probably just upset they haven’t got a positive ROI on their acquisition of a free game.

I can't prove it, but I am quite sure NYT got a positive ROI on the acquisition of Wordle. They paid in the low single millions of USD, which isn't much for a brand as big as Wordle had become by then (2 million+ daily players) and it's been used to drive new digital subscriptions [1]. It's diminished somewhat since then but it has remarkable staying power. I can tell that from the Google Trends data [2] as well as t…

You can look at the comments section to see how popular it is, oftentimes there are a few hundred comments. That is higher than most NYT news stories (back when I used to use their website).

Re: New York Times is targeting Wordle clones with DMCA takedowns

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If someone makes a FOSS version that can be easily dropped onto a public server somewhere, then we should all host a Wordle clone. (I'm sure the code has already been written a thousand times over…)

Almost all of these clones are FOSS, and can be dropped onto a server somewhere. Hell, the most common way to implement the game has everything on single html page with a javascript file that handles the entire game's logic and word list.

Re: New York Times is targeting Wordle clones with DMCA takedowns

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> In a statement to 404 Media, the Times said: > > The Times has no issue with individuals creating similar word games that do not infringe The Times’s “Wordle” trademarks or copyrighted gameplay. Can you really copyright “gameplay”? This seems like pointless bullying by the Times, who is probably just upset they haven’t got a positive ROI on their acquisition of a free game.

Gameplay can't be copyrighted, but in the case of Worldle, the word lists are probably copyrightable. Any clone that derives their own word list is probably fine, but any clone that copy/pastes the exact word lists from wordle (especially the shorter list of 2,315 possible solutions) is probably infringing copyright.

I doubt it. The existence of the words themselves is a fact, which is not copyrightable. Only their arrangement can be. Feist Publications, Inc., v. Rural Telephone Service Co., 499 U.S. 340 (1991)

However, to be copyrightable, the arrangement has to be expressive, i.e., it must "possess the requisite originality because the author . . . chooses . . . in what order to place them."

My strong suspicion is that Wordle's word list is randomized. Not a chosen expression of the author.

Re: New York Times is targeting Wordle clones with DMCA takedowns

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If you’re looking for a Wordle game they can’t take from you, Wordyl on Game Boy is one I’ve been enjoying :) https://bbbbbr.itch.io/gb-wordyl

Why wouldn't they allow keyboard input to type the words? Nobody has time to select each individual letter with the up/down arrows. I get it's an emulated game but there must be a way to hook keyboard input.

Re: New York Times is targeting Wordle clones with DMCA takedowns

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The New York Times — which purchased Wordle back in 2022 — has filed several DMCA notices over Wordle clones created by GitHub coders, citing its ownership over the Wordle name and copyrighted gameplay including 5x6 tile layout and gray, yellow, and green color scheme.

This smells very similar to the issue with the tetris clone a number of years ago. The overall issue is that while games aren't copyrightable, the look and feel of a game can be copyrighted. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetris_Holding,_LLC_v._Xio_Int...

That ruling is really exasperating. The judge not accepting that the size of the tetris field is part of the rules of tetris is really weird to me. The tetronimoes don't even look similar in their comparison given the constraints of shapes made of four blocks, and, like, the texture obviously looks nothing like original tetris, it's just some basic-ass rendering of a shape with some color.

Re: New York Times is targeting Wordle clones with DMCA takedowns

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> In a statement to 404 Media, the Times said: > > The Times has no issue with individuals creating similar word games that do not infringe The Times’s “Wordle” trademarks or copyrighted gameplay. Can you really copyright “gameplay”? This seems like pointless bullying by the Times, who is probably just upset they haven’t got a positive ROI on their acquisition of a free game.

Specially since Wordle's gameplay is a straight copy of Bulls and Cows: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulls_and_cows
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