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And after you give up on Ukraine what's next? Georgia? Moldova? Estonia? Poland? Lithuania? More? They're all fair game for Russia are they? Russia will find your submissiveness very helpful.
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> Domino theory nonsense. It isn't theory. It's a practical understanding of who and what Putin and the Russia state are. The practical reality is that Russia has been expanding by increments. First Georgia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War Then Crimea: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_occupation_of_Crimea And now they're trying for more of Ukraine. Submission and appeasement don't lead to good o…
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> Domino theory nonsense. It isn't theory. It's a practical understanding of who and what Putin and the Russia state are. The practical reality is that Russia has been expanding by increments. First Georgia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War Then Crimea: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_occupation_of_Crimea And now they're trying for more of Ukraine. Submission and appeasement don't lead to good o…
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Of course it's serious. It's serious enough for Ukrainians to be dying every day for the defense of their nation.
Russians are dying every day too. Putin can save many Russian lives with a simple order to get out of Ukraine.
Putin plainly values his vanity over the lives of the Russian people.
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That "peace deal" would have required that Ukraine permanently recognize Russian sovereignty over Crimea and the Donbas (on top of other concessions). This is why Russia is called "expansionist". Because it likes to expand its territory. Before Boris arrived to scupper it. That's not what happened. I know you read some snippet somewhere that made it sound like that's what happened. But simply put, you're being played…
Naftali Bennett (former Israeli premier): https://www.hungarianconservative.com/articles/current/russi...
Watch the interview if you don't like the source.
Ukrainian negotiator David Arahamiya: https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/official-john...
Video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lt4E0DiJts
More than snippets
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Of course it's serious. It's serious enough for Ukrainians to be dying every day for the defense of their nation. Russians are dying every day too. Putin can save many Russian lives with a simple order to get out of Ukraine. Putin plainly values his vanity over the lives of the Russian people.
It's about Russian security, not Putin's vanity. Please try to raise the level of discourse beyond the boogyman propaganda so beloved of Hollywood.
This is serious, deadly serious, and seeing it treated so lightly is painful.
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Of course it's serious. It's serious enough for Ukrainians to be dying every day for the defense of their nation. Russians are dying every day too. Putin can save many Russian lives with a simple order to get out of Ukraine. Putin plainly values his vanity over the lives of the Russian people.
It's about Russian security, not Putin's vanity. Please try to raise the level of discourse beyond the boogyman propaganda so beloved of Hollywood. This is serious, deadly serious, and seeing it treated so lightly is painful.
Everything Putin is doing is worsening Russia's security situation.
As a direct result of Russia's war, NATO has expanded and Russia is now very much in China's pocket. China is quite happy to have Russia as a vassal state.
Russia had a mini civil war with Prigozhin's rebellion. Russians have been killing Russians.
Russia's life expectancy was already lower than that of developed countries and this pointless war of choice is steadily killing off an entire generation of young Russians.
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That "peace deal" would have required that Ukraine permanently recognize Russian sovereignty over Crimea and the Donbas (on top of other concessions). This is why Russia is called "expansionist". Because it likes to expand its territory. Before Boris arrived to scupper it. That's not what happened. I know you read some snippet somewhere that made it sound like that's what happened. But simply put, you're being played…
Naftali Bennett (former Israeli premier): https://www.hungarianconservative.com/articles/current/russi... Watch the interview if you don't like the source. Ukrainian negotiator David Arahamiya: https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/official-john... Video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lt4E0DiJts More than snippets
That's the spin of those two observers. But there was a lot to more to the actual chain of events at the time.
And lo and behold, the fact of two guys stating a certain narrative about those events (then embellished up a bit by the publications quoting them) does not make it so. Even the article you're citing about Arahamiya's version of events isn't so clear-cut about the matter (it says Boris's advice was but one factor among many) as you're making it out to be.
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This is a lie
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So Boris Johnson single handedly changed the course of Ukraine’s history ?
Or, equally likely, he just arrived with guarantees that weapon deliveries would be maintained ?
Whether Russia presented a so called “peace deal” is irrelevant. The propaganda claim is Boris Johnson came in and somehow mind warped the Ukraine side.
Which, like a lot of propaganda in this war, completely removes the agency from the Ukrainians. Funny how that works.
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Being "defence friendly" means also cultivating the mentality that lying in the trenches for your country/culture/values might be necessary. Forget arms industry or military budget as a percent of GDP. The main problem is that Europe lacks the fighting spirit (with some exceptions like Poland). Countries like Germany will fold / capitulate to any demands if they suffer thousands of casualties.
I lack fighting spirit, don't want to spend money for weapons and I'm not afraid of Russia (live in Germany). There is a lot of fear mongering. Ukraine should make a deal instead of sacrificing people without limits. So many people died, for loosing later. If they wait too long there won't be any deal.
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