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Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by throwup238 »

xaro wrote: post #41
dewbrite wrote: post #28

> To ensure result quality, we automatically downrank pages with advertising and tracking, which are often associated with low-quality or machine-generated content. That is one of the most compelling things I've ever heard about a search engine. How well does kagi work for niche "reddit queries" like "best waterproof midi synthesizers reddit"?

I configured Reddit as a "Lense" (similar to what Kagi uses for things like searching across Forums, or news). With that, now I have a simple toggle at the top of Kagi which allows me to immediately turn a search into a Reddit search.

I did the same and added a custom bang so I can use it from the address bar directly (!r pointing at https://kagi.com/search?q=%s&l=8 where 8 is the lens id).

Probably least a third of my queries are preceded by an !r now. A third of the rest are now question mark queries that activates their AI fast answer. It's like the google info box on steroids since it can answer any query and it works with lenses to restrict the fast answer to specific domains.

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by bigyikes »

mminer237 wrote: post #25
ec109685 wrote: post #18

How do new search engines like Perplexity and Kagi avoid getting rate limited or hitting captchas as they build and maintain their indexes? Sites have to make exceptions for Google, but likely wouldn’t care enough to allow other search engines in.

I believe Kagi just pays to use Google's and Microsoft's indexes.

Google sells their index??

(Microsoft famously sells theirs to DuckDuckGo, right?)

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by lolinder »

paradox460 wrote: post #42
cngn wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are built-in bangs for reddit, and users can prioritize reddit.com as a domain if they'd like.

Not only that, but you can make it rewrite all reddit links to use old.reddit.com

Yes! Instructions here (old.reddit.com is one of the main examples): https://help.kagi.com/kagi/features/redirects.html

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by Toutouxc »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #32
tucnak wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kagi does unit and currency conversion.

It doesn't work that way in the actual search results: https://kagi.com/search?q=iphone+case+%2450..%2460 All my results are in dollars. And they're not in range.

Huh? How do you expect it to work? Do other search engines support this?

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by rgovostes »

7thaccount wrote: post #56
rgovostes wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It can't handle non-numeric quantities like "average distance to moon" but Google's calculator has handled calculations with units very well for 15 years at least. It definitely puts Apple's Spotlight calculations to shame. I find that W|A works fine until it fails to parse my query and then I have no idea how to fix it, because the syntax is unclear.

There should be some doc on the English syntax. I wonder if WA lets you fall back to the proper Mathematica representation. Something like the below but in reverse as WA typically does the free form by default I think. https://wolfram.com/mathematica/new-in-8/free-form-linguisti...

You can input Mathematica (ahem, Wolfram Language). I suppose yet another use for LLMs: better translation of natural language input into structured Wolfram calculations. Unsurprisingly, they're already advertising "Wolfram GPT" and have added LLMSynthesize[] etc. to Mathematica.

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by martinky24 »

7thaccount wrote: post #54
martinky24 wrote: post #40

This is probably similar to the Wolfram|Alpha + Siri integration (which AFAIK no longer exists): - Kagi will rely on Wolfram's okay-ish stack to immediately add features to their engine - Kagi will, over time, 1-by-1 remove the reliance on the (generally slow and expensive) Wolfram API with built-in features - Once the meat of the features have been rewritten internally by Kagi in more performant and self-controlled…

I can see them doing that for some things, but kind of doubt it for the more mathy things.

There are things that move the needle (unit conversions) and things that don't matter as much ("how many tea cups of water would fit inside the moon"). It's the "things that matter" that get implemented and make the rest of it not worth it.

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by zero0529 »

I bought it as I needed it for an exam that needed me to do a lot of research and it combined with bing gpt really was a big help. I probably won’t use at as a main driver as I only have the 300 search a month plan and I get a feeling like I wasted a search when I searcg something stupid like x documentation.

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by dotnet00 »

andai wrote: post #36

Did kagi recently (past 12 months) add the unlimited plan? Last time I checked even my human search usage was way beyond their limits (Google regularly accuses me of being a bot!), and my primary interest was in 100Xing that volume with autonomous agents. Now it says unlimited, but I'm not sure "you and a swarm of a thousand digital clones" counts as fair use...

There was actually an outage due to this (their first major outage!) a few weeks ago. Someone was scraping via their API a little too hard, which had unexpected effects on upstream systems. So 100x human search volume is likely to be an issue unless you discuss it with the devs first.

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #32
tucnak wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kagi does unit and currency conversion.

It doesn't work that way in the actual search results: https://kagi.com/search?q=iphone+case+%2450..%2460 All my results are in dollars. And they're not in range.

How do you expect “iphone case $50..$60” to be interpreted as not in dollars?

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by manquer »

bigyikes wrote: post #62
mminer237 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe Kagi just pays to use Google's and Microsoft's indexes.

Google sells their index?? (Microsoft famously sells theirs to DuckDuckGo, right?)

Bing index has always been licensable , Yahoo was using it too, and they have other customers .

I don’t think Google has a publicly known licensing deal ,

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