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Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Post by troupo »

paulsutter wrote: post #48
mjburgess wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does seem they've mistaken the general sentiment towards government regulation in europe, which is typically, "more, better". Since we have so many consumer protections, much of how we end up engaging with the law around business practices is to our benefit . We're always aware we can raise bad business practices with an ombudsman (etc.). So our lived experience of government regulation is, in large part, positive…

Yes each time we see these cookie warnings, we admire a system that does so much to our benefit

Nothing in the law requires those cookie banners. If you don't agree, you can quote to me the exact passage in the GDPR where it talks about cookies, banners, or browsers.

Or you can read what Github has to say about this: https://github.blog/2020-12-17-no-cookie-for-you/

Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Post by jdright »

hef19898 wrote: post #28
redwood wrote: post #15

I understand where the author is coming from and It is important to have a realist perspective on what is driving European strategy or else we will be in denial. I think it's also important to recognize that the west are interconnected in many real ways beyond economic. The first and most clearly top of mind recently is the US defense umbrella which allows the EU to invest on other things instead of defense. Another…

See, and therw I was worried we'd have a discussion HN involcing the EU without anyone sharing all those meme and myths about the EU, labour laws, salaries... Thank you for holding up the flag!

incredibile amount of delusion of grandeur on that one.

Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Post by p_l »

paulsutter wrote: post #48
mjburgess wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does seem they've mistaken the general sentiment towards government regulation in europe, which is typically, "more, better". Since we have so many consumer protections, much of how we end up engaging with the law around business practices is to our benefit . We're always aware we can raise bad business practices with an ombudsman (etc.). So our lived experience of government regulation is, in large part, positive…

Yes each time we see these cookie warnings, we admire a system that does so much to our benefit

Which is precisely why those, often non-compliant if not outright illegal, warnings exist.

Their purpose is to push you towards working against your own privacy.

Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Post by graemep »

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #10

What amazes and perplexes me is that Apple thinks it can effectively play politics against the EU and that somehow their customers will back them in the face of the "consequences" Apple applies, which are pretty transparent and really quite amateurish (eg no more web apps for you!). As the article states, the first mistake Apple makes is thinking the EU is somehow like the US, but I can't see how any large proportion…

I am not sure they are wrong.

It will be interesting to exactly what the EU does regarding Apple's malicious compliance with regard to allowing third party apps stores.

I hope the EU comes down hard.

Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Post by blitzar »

throwaway473825 wrote: post #43
dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #10

What amazes and perplexes me is that Apple thinks it can effectively play politics against the EU and that somehow their customers will back them in the face of the "consequences" Apple applies, which are pretty transparent and really quite amateurish (eg no more web apps for you!). As the article states, the first mistake Apple makes is thinking the EU is somehow like the US, but I can't see how any large proportion…

>EU citizens haven't been brainwashed into thinking that their government is their enemy, at least not to the same extent as the US. The same phenomenon can be seen in other areas, such as digital cash: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Dpu6G_UlSdM On paper, digital cash is superior to both physical cash and digital bank money in almost all aspects, but many Americans oppose it anyway because they see their government as t…

Yet digital cash is seen by actual true patriots as the solution to free themselves from the enemy the government.

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Post by lettergram »

This honestly just sounds like a lot of whining from the author.

As someone who’s set in rooms with loads of regulators

(1) you can pretty much always compromise with them.

(2) they want to ensure criteria is met & typically not penalties nor want you to leave a market

It’s more accurate to think of regulators as customers. They just have different requirements they need to solve their problem. Rarely are they protecting consumers imo. Usually they’re there protecting government or other powerful interest.

Regardless, we would do something similar to Apple with regulators. “Look it’ll take 18 months to implement X. It’ll also cost $Y. If you push this issue we won’t make a profit and we will exit the market. Are you sure you want us to do that?”

“No no no. We just need this and that safe guard in place.”

“Alright, we can implement the first one in 2 months, that last one will take time, let’s work on a roadmap.”

And that’s how it really functions.

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Post by ragebol »

paulsutter wrote: post #48
mjburgess wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does seem they've mistaken the general sentiment towards government regulation in europe, which is typically, "more, better". Since we have so many consumer protections, much of how we end up engaging with the law around business practices is to our benefit . We're always aware we can raise bad business practices with an ombudsman (etc.). So our lived experience of government regulation is, in large part, positive…

Yes each time we see these cookie warnings, we admire a system that does so much to our benefit

The cookie warnings are a result of companies not taking a pretty obvious hint: don't do tracking.

Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Post by kitsune_ »

bengale wrote: post #55

"They were behaving like Elon Musk. And we certainly don’t want more Elon Musks in the world." I'm not a fan of his behaviour on Twitter, but the idea that the world does not want more Elon Musks seems insane to me. Theyre not for me personally, but whatever you think about Teslas I don't see how you would not want a person who can build a new car company. Just look at other entrants like Rivian, it's so hard, and he…

Insane is a bit of a strong word, no?

If Musk was a visionary he would have built trains, not cars.

Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Post by pjc50 »

This is a really excellent article. It's very important to have a good understanding of what the other side's argument actually is in situations like this. EU politics is not at all like Anglosphere politics; it remains very machine-technocratic, rather than the clickbait-circus that dominates Anglo politics at the moment.
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