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"AI will cure cancer" misunderstands both AI and medicine

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Re: "AI will cure cancer" misunderstands both AI and medicine

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Could you name one thing AI can't do? AI will cure everything. Whatever remains uncured, quantum computer will cure it too, in a very short order. /s

And we will use a blockchain to keep track of all these cures. And the survivors will all meet in some type of metaverse.

Re: "AI will cure cancer" misunderstands both AI and medicine

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I dislike these articles that end up being written with a leftist bias that AI is already being used to [purposely] control and marginalize people. There are definite inequalities in society including in medicine and these biases I am sure make it into training data. However, while we should be watchful, I don't think there is a conscious decision by "the man" to purposely put certain groups down using AI. AI researchers themselves and doctors are a pretty diverse group.

Re: "AI will cure cancer" misunderstands both AI and medicine

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This article seems to avoid talking about the core improvement AI will make to radiology - more accurate analysis. It mentions that patients may not get an MRI in the first place...but at least for those who do, surely there will be an improvement. The referral/bias issue will exist no matter what the technology is used. garbage article.

Re: "AI will cure cancer" misunderstands both AI and medicine

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I dislike these articles that end up being written with a leftist bias that AI is already being used to [purposely] control and marginalize people. There are definite inequalities in society including in medicine and these biases I am sure make it into training data. However, while we should be watchful, I don't think there is a conscious decision by "the man" to purposely put certain groups down using AI. AI researc…

What is data used for? To whom does it give power?

Re: "AI will cure cancer" misunderstands both AI and medicine

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I dislike these articles that end up being written with a leftist bias that AI is already being used to [purposely] control and marginalize people. There are definite inequalities in society including in medicine and these biases I am sure make it into training data. However, while we should be watchful, I don't think there is a conscious decision by "the man" to purposely put certain groups down using AI. AI researc…

Like most tools, it will be used by both oppressors and the oppressed around the world. The concern I have is that the prohibitive cost of building foundational models means that it will disproportionately benefit those with extreme resources at the expense of those without.

Re: "AI will cure cancer" misunderstands both AI and medicine

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> sequence it How? You’re hiding a ton of complicated work in these 2 words > AI will develop a custom therapy This statement suggests you really don’t know what you’re talking about with regards to AI. AI doesn’t develop treatments magically. Work needs to be don’t to curate a dataset of treatments and diseases, BUT even then AI can’t create new treatments for existing untreatable cancer as we don’t have any data to…

No, you're the one who doesn't understand AI. At this point AI has demonstrated ample capability to extrapolate to out of sample data.

Also known as hallucination

Re: "AI will cure cancer" misunderstands both AI and medicine

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One related publication that I thought would have fit well into the comment about disparate pain treatment is this[1] from Ziad Obermeyer's group. They found that when they trained a model using patient pain and knee X-rays, much of the disparity in symptoms could be accounted for by findings from the X-rays themselves. It's a nice example of where using the patients' symptoms and objective data may actually outperfo…

> It's a nice example of where using the patients' symptoms and objective data may actually outperform current medical standards

I think you’re jumping the gun here, this paper was a hot topic when it was published. Patient symptoms combined with objective data is already the medical standard.

Note that:

1. KLG is not a measure of pain but of OA radiographic severity.

2. KLG 3-4 is not a prerequisite for surgery.

From the article:

> While radiographic severity is not part of the formal guideline in allocations for arthroplasty (which only requires evidence of radiographic damage), empirically, patients with higher KLGs are more likely to receive surgery.

TKA patients skew to higher grade for many reasons, one being that studies have shown KLG 2 patients who undergo TKA are more likely to experience dissatisfaction (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8344222/).

There are a lot of “ifs” in this paper which did not examine whether KLG 1-2 but ALG-P 3-4 patients benefit from TKA over conservative mgmt or other surgical interventions. It’s also unclear whether this better selects patients for TKA than KLG 1-2 + pain scores and other clinical variables.

All this shows is that KLG is a poor correlate for pain, which is known and not what the score is designed/used for.

Re: "AI will cure cancer" misunderstands both AI and medicine

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post #64

I dislike these articles that end up being written with a leftist bias that AI is already being used to [purposely] control and marginalize people. There are definite inequalities in society including in medicine and these biases I am sure make it into training data. However, while we should be watchful, I don't think there is a conscious decision by "the man" to purposely put certain groups down using AI. AI researc…

What is data used for? To whom does it give power?

Everyone.

edit: It is clear that, even at the current stage of decent summarization, this is transformative tech that can 10x current workflows today.

Re: "AI will cure cancer" misunderstands both AI and medicine

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post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is data used for? To whom does it give power?

Everyone. edit: It is clear that, even at the current stage of decent summarization, this is transformative tech that can 10x current workflows today.

Fox News has the same data access as everyone else. You want to qualify that statement perhaps?

Re: "AI will cure cancer" misunderstands both AI and medicine

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i am puzzled why people think there is true intelligence in AI. IMHO it is advanced interpolation or morphing similar to the photo morphing tools of the 90s. if the data is not in the model you can’t get it out. you can only get interpolations out of it of data in the model. the more sophisticated the interpolation the more people think there is intelligence. maybe i am missing something but this is what i perceive.

And true intelligence can get data they don't have ? true intelligence isn't magic.
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