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Re: Homeless Mortality Data

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Where is the money going?

Round down to ~ 3 Billion https://lao.ca.gov/Publications/Report/4808

181,399 round up to 250,000 https://calmatters.org/housing/homelessness/2024/01/californ...

Simple math = 12000 USD per person - food, shelter, clothing, treatment, burial, etc

State actor and industry takes a slice of the profit: https://youtu.be/z6iW1poC-0c?si=EFrK07ew2vaX_yMD

Iterate across the country.

Almost like historical payback: https://youtu.be/u1dbOf63roI?si=q8fV1fya60abnceX

Re: Homeless Mortality Data

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Please make your substantive points thoughtfully and avoid snark, as the guidelines ask: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html .

A poor statement gets a poor response. Start looking at the head of this comment thread before you choose to chide me. And there is nothing snarky about this. We've seen this exact scenario happen recently in certain areas of the US (e.g. Oregon) and Portugal where they eased off on criminalizing drugs use. You're talking about an economic weak group, where legality is less of an issue than cost. Them being 'homeless…

The GP comment may have been bad or wrong, but it didn't break the site guidelines as far as I can tell.

We need you (i.e. everyone commenting here) to follow HN's rules regardless of how badly other people's posts are. Moderation is inevitably inconsistent because we can't see everything; not even in the same thread.

Re: Homeless Mortality Data

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Where is the money going? Round down to ~ 3 Billion https://lao.ca.gov/Publications/Report/4808 181,399 round up to 250,000 https://calmatters.org/housing/homelessness/2024/01/californ... Simple math = 12000 USD per person - food, shelter, clothing, treatment, burial, etc State actor and industry takes a slice of the profit: https://youtu.be/z6iW1poC-0c?si=EFrK07ew2vaX_yMD Iterate across the country. Almost like hist…

In californian cities, the cost of renting an apartment for an otherwise homeless person is a multiple of 12k/year.

The same anti-housing policies driving up homeless rates also makes helping them more expensive.

Re: Homeless Mortality Data

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This where I think criminalization actually serves to increase exploitation and increase the incentives for exploitation.

I heavily disagree with that. Most legally available drugs are already out of reach for most of the homeless people (even more so in the US). These people are primarily defined by their financial status, if nothing else.

Maybe we are talking about different things. I mean that criminalizing drugs tends to make their use more risky as there are fewer quality controls and no legal recourse for drug users who get low quality or downright poisonous products. Vulnerable populations, like the homeless, who are already easy to exploit, become victims of this culturally and legally defined demarcation.

Re: Homeless Mortality Data

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I heavily disagree with that. Most legally available drugs are already out of reach for most of the homeless people (even more so in the US). These people are primarily defined by their financial status, if nothing else.

Maybe we are talking about different things. I mean that criminalizing drugs tends to make their use more risky as there are fewer quality controls and no legal recourse for drug users who get low quality or downright poisonous products. Vulnerable populations, like the homeless, who are already easy to exploit, become victims of this culturally and legally defined demarcation.

The only way that I can see that happening is when the price would drop significantly enough so homeless people would prefer it over black-market dealers.

Keep in mind that there are a lot of legal practices, or legally obtainable things, that still have a large black market. Its been historically proven again and again that people will gladly take risks or a loss in quality over affordability.

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