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In war for talent, 'brogrammers' will be losers

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Re: In war for talent, 'brogrammers' will be losers

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That's a list that I would like to see, as well. If there's a strong interest, I would be willing to collaborate on creating and maintaining one.

You'd be doing God's work! Companies with better-balanced workforces deserve to be recognized.

I'm an atheist, so that's strange praise, but whatever.

If anyone's serious about setting something up, my contact info is in my profile.

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I have known programmers who talk exactly like that. It's a real thing. The startup craze has attracted a lot of people with a swollen sense of self worth. People who call themselves ninjas and what not. This is one of the thing that attracts me to Clojure. Rich Hickey is the exact opposite of a brogrammer. He doesn't care about trends, or social mobile appification, he just cares about getting shit done.

You're attracted to a programming language because you think its author is cool? Hm. Makes sense. COBOL, here I come!!

I'm attracted to the programming language because the author and I share the same values. I got into programming to create things. Not to have arguments about indentation or semicolons, or to pop my collar at this month's "conf".

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> "Wanna bro down and crush some code?" What? Who would say that, ever? > San Francisco-based Klout Oh. Carry on then. "Brogrammers" are pretty hilarious though. I mean, aside from the utility of being a "warning, we're a company of homophobes and sexists" alert, I think that it started as a joke? Then, there were people that didn't realize it was a joke and started actually using it. I think that's pretty funny.

Am I missing some inside joke? what exactly is a brogrammer? :(

This is the first place I remember seeing it, still very much a bit of satire at the time:

http://www.quora.com/Brogramming/How-does-a-programmer-becom...

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From the article: "Tech start-ups founded by women are few and far between, but they're highly attractive to female and male candidates who don't want to join a boys' club." I could see how this could be true for female candidates (since gender is a focal point for them in a male-dominated industry), but as I guy I'm not sure the CEO's gender is going to make their company a "highly attractive" workplace to me - I'd…

Gender-balanced groups are more interesting and more comfortable than groups which are dominated by a single gender. I would certainly consider the presence of women in technical management positions to be a big point in a potential employer's favor, since it is evidence that they have managed to overcome the usual boyzone dynamics.

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Nobody is turning down skilled engineers because they don't shotgun a beer at the interview. All of this outrage over a joke is ridiculous. Yes, some people have made some stupid flyers (saying girls are going to serve you beer as you code? dumb) but most of the time it's just a joke poking fun at the stereotype that programmers are lame awkward nerds.

It's also a joke which subtly reinforces the stereotype that programmers are male.

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That's one small way brogrammer culture is actually useful. It's a red flag for women... The problem with the brogrammer caricature, is that it exaggerates a few overt features of regular geek culture in a way that overshadows underlying pathologies in programming shops. There are forms of intolerance and aggression that have nothing to do with homophobia or sexism (or any other readily vilifying -ism) but which are…

So are you saying that hot girls don't make the world a better place? As in you either wouldn't care or that you would prefer having less hot women? As for the entire objectifying thing -- when I see something beautiful, being a statue, a painting or, yes, a girl -- it makes my day better. And what is wrong with enjoying the beautiful things in life? It would be awfully dull if we were to go through life as if it was…

So are you saying that hot girls don't make the world a better place?

They do indeed make the world a better place in some way. That doesn't mean that they make the workplace a better place.

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You're attracted to a programming language because you think its author is cool? Hm. Makes sense. COBOL, here I come!!

I'm attracted to the programming language because the author and I share the same values. I got into programming to create things. Not to have arguments about indentation or semicolons, or to pop my collar at this month's "conf".

Still, I wasn't entirely kidding. There's a lot of things about Mrs. Hopper that strongly resonate with me. Putting things into real perspective, being down to earth about everything. Not entirely unlike Hickey, really. Still, she made COBOL. I like Grace Hopper a lot better than I like COBOL. For me, this soft of serves as a counter argument to the idea that sharing values with a fellow creator would imply that I like that person's creations.

Note: I rather much agree with you, Hickey rocks, and the attitude he's broadcasting is very refreshing in today's code ninja heat.

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You could speculate meaninglessly, or, you could actually try to find out the answer to your question. In the case of Tasneem Raja, she was actually in Matt Van Horn's talk at SxSW, and was one of the folks pissed off enough to walk out of his talk (and explicitly says as much here: http://www.motherjones.com/media/2012/04/silicon-valley-brog... ). Tasneem also talked with several of the badass developer folk who bui…

Matt Van Horn != a trend. How difficult is that to understand? When everyone has to use the same obnoxious prat to extrapolate into some wider trend, maybe there isn't a wider trend . A few years back I had a female coworker who flirted with me endlessly. I stopped staying in the office late because she would always do the same. "New trend -- shegrammers and the troubles they cause". http://www.theonion.com/articles/…

Here’s your break, huggyface: http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_incidents

(that’s maybe 5%, tops, of actual incidents that happen)

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I think I'm reaching the end of my tolerance for the word "brogrammer" I don't tolerate sexism, racism, or bigotry. Period. Whether it has a catchy name or not. I have noticed that many of the attributes associated to "brogrammer" are attributes I associate with immature males. Here's the thing: I do not believe that shaming immature males is going to make them more mature. In fact, I think it's going to drive the en…

Do you have any evidence that these diversity teams actually make more money? I mean it is a nice political correct speech speech, but feelings have no place in business (except, possibly, to woe over employees or customers). Businesses exists to make money.

Yes: basically any study on the effects of more diverse work teams or leadership has come up with the same result: diversity is good for business, better for the bottom line, results in better products, and so forth.

Have a gander: http://j.mp/J3RwfG

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Matt Van Horn != a trend. How difficult is that to understand? When everyone has to use the same obnoxious prat to extrapolate into some wider trend, maybe there isn't a wider trend . A few years back I had a female coworker who flirted with me endlessly. I stopped staying in the office late because she would always do the same. "New trend -- shegrammers and the troubles they cause". http://www.theonion.com/articles/…

Here’s your break, huggyface: http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_incidents (that’s maybe 5%, tops, of actual incidents that happen)

Wow, that's at least multiple items per month across the millions of people in tech.

Worse, it takes the expression of subjective personal opinion and turns even that into some sort of offensive assault. That site offends me as a man, thus I will add it to my masculism site.

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