Patreon knows that Patreon doesn't work - they don't fund themselves by donations on Patreon; instead they take a cut of other people's donations. And the model where some patrons receive a reward encourages transactionalism and disappointed patrons when they don't get the reward they expected. Liberapay's model seems much more sustainable - donations only, no rewards; Liberapay fund themselves via Liberapay because…
>Liberapay fund themselves via Liberapay because they actually believe their system works. As in they are also funded by donations, or do the creators themselves pay for entry?
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#62What the author is ultimately complaining about is something they touched upon, which is that the creative market is saturated and in order to survive you need to have another job.
You can call it “diversification of revenue sources,” but what it actually is is getting a job as a waiter or a waitress while you audition for your Hollywood dreams.
And it happens when there are too many people wanting to sing and dance and be in movies and not enough people ready to pay them to do that.
So there’s an oversupply of creative talent, which is about to get even more squeezed as artificial intelligence pushes in on human capital.
There are, at the end of the day, only so many eyeballs, and not everyone can be the radio star.
Whenever there is a financialization of creative markets, there are artists screaming about the legitimacy of the art, and the connection with the receiver of that art, is being tainted by the commercialization.
But it doesn’t matter. The commercialization is inevitable because artist need to eat, and unless they have patrons, they have customers, and that’s just how the thing has worked throughout history.
Really at core it’s just another industry being eaten by software.
This is a trend that has been going on for a very long time, as tokenization and monetization and incremental digital transformation comes in and gradually disassembles ways of human existence into component parts and creates a business model around them. Let’s remember that painters screamed about photography being sacrilege and not even qualifying as an art form as the process involved no expression but mere capture. I met a few in my younger years who regaled me with my camera about the wrong I was committing.
It’s been the thing that’s been going on here for 30 years (and I’ve been lucky to watch the juice being squeezed). But from a digital perspective this is the way that it works in the modern economy. There’s a gold rush, then a reckoning, and from ashes emerge winners and losers, eventually leading to another stabilized period. That stability then transforms by new technology (the next breakthrough) and another rapid change of social behavior and income opportunity happens. It just goes on and on as digital technology progresses.
> The content should be meaningful, insightful, written, recorded or filmed for your audience. The people who give a shit. The people who care.
That’s the price of digital. It exacts emotional taxes to make change and people find it difficult and objectionable to watch their values erode as it gets eaten by disruption. But can anyone really get off the bus? Maybe if there’s a large scale EMP attack, the internet is shut down from a massive cybersecurity event, or solar flare, but I see almost no other way to stop the disruption otherwise as the snake that eats it tail pays the bills.
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#64What creators need is a better youtube algorithm. Is it just me, or has youtube recommendations become almost unusable by now? Some years ago when I spent "an hour watching YouTube" I'd watch a huge majority of videos recommended by the algorithm based on my current subs. Today it is 1%. Why? I'll give you an example. I have varied interests, I sub and regularly watch a number if channels in each of my hobbies, but f…
> Is it just me, or has youtube recommendations become almost unusable by now? It's honestly the opposite for me. It's scary good at finding content related to my recent history, and it's even gotten better at directing me towards even toward very small ( But yes, if you take even a step towards some semblance of clickbait, or even hover over some random video too long, your feed will suddenly transform into a flood…
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#65Sorry, but the "creator economy" is a mostly-malicious delusion. Sure, it can sound great. And for a very lucky few it probably is great. But the 99% reality is that it's just hype from techo-utopians, wanna-be's, get-rich-quick salesmen, and a bunch of mega-corporate platforms - whose profits are built on the backs of virtual-slave "creator" labor. (Yes, maybe this is a bit too cynical. Maybe. A bit.)
It is really just a type of more dispersed state lottery game without the state involved.
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#66The TL;DR of this is basically there are too many people creating content. Best thing that creators could do is tell other creators to quit. The author doesn't say this part but really that is what it comes down to. Instead she offers a generic advice about diversifying the medium of delivery.
I wonder if monetization with a low subscriber base isn't as hard as we imagine. Afterall, you just need to net like 80K in a non HCOL city to live very comfortably. (assuming no employees, or office rent, or expensive production)
It is just because you are not accounting for all the people trying this and failing. By definition, no one is watching all the youtube videos that only get 50 views per episode of a podcast.
It isn't hard if you use a massive selection bias towards the winners and just assume you will also be a winner.
May as well just say it is easy to make a living in the restaurant business. Just open a successful restaurant!
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#68This doesn't sound as dire to me as the author makes it out to be. I think it sounds totally reasonable that you need 20,000 or even 100,000 engaged followers to be able to make it full time off creating content. I don't see how, even with advertising or sponsors, a smaller number of followers could ever pay a livable salary (out of 20,000 people, how many of those mattresses are you really going to sell?). It used t…
No, tv shows where profitable with much, much lower numbers than millions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lois_%26_Clark:_The_New_Advent...
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
Personally YouTube is ruined for me because of sponsorships. It just became advertisement packaged as content. I understand from an economical perspective why people do it, but I can't shake the feeling that the content is just an excuse and the ad is the meat of the content.
Install SponsorBlock! With YT Premium and that, my video experience is completely ad-free.
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#70I saw a streamer on Twitch say "This is my favorite hobby. It pays for itself". I don't think most of these people expect to live off of the income. Most people seem well aware the odds of that happening is low. Remember that tons of content was created before YouTube was paying anyone anything. They just wanted to share it.