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I recently switched from MacPorts to Homebrew & from previous trials of Nix, MacPorts support is well ahead of Nix. I used MacPorts for many years without many issues - only recently just started to get a little too frustrated with some new utils that were Homebrew-only & finally capitulated. So you can get very far with MacPorts (& it's a far better system than brew). Be great to see something gain traction over Hom…
Isn’t it best if the application developers just release their application on GitHub or similar, then package maintaners can package the software for their specific package manager? That’s how it works for many Linux distros, e.g. Debian etc etc.
Yes and no. It's certainly true of most packages but the smaller the package, the more likely it is that the distro package maintainer will be [a/the] maintainer of the original project, even with Debian.
The same is true of Homebrew, etc. - most of the package maintainers aren't the original project maintainers, which is ultimately why MacPorts support is so comprehensive despite not having anywhere near the same user capture as Homebrew. But the places you see frustrating gaps will always be at the edges, where it may be the original project creator creating a Homebrew package & no-one packaging it for anything else.
Kinda off-topic but when this happened it was the beginning of the end for my use of Keybase. Stopped using it entirely after the Zoom acquisition, and I'd used their chat very heavily early on -- but trust was lost.
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Financialization is why nice things can be done at scale. Without finanialization the nice things would be smaller and less common. Expecting people to do high quality work for free is not sustainable.
Profit motives don't create quality. Passion and pride create quality. Unfortunately, passion and pride are unreliable, and products and services that rely on them are inconsistent. Profit motives create consistency, but produce products and services that are adequate at best. So then, reserve profit motives for things that need to be done, and for which you can tolerate mere adequacy. I want my garbageman to be moti…
On the margin, there may be many people working in, for example, finance who would make highly valuable contributions to open source projects if they were financially incentivized.
What is effectively being argued here is that we should oppose grass roots subsidy of important public work just because there was a specific incentive issue in a specific initiative. The code doesn't care why you wrote it. Maybe some bad code gets subsidized. That's ok - don't use it.
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And it doesn't even solve the trust problem for anything off chain. And even if it would than the question of which chain is the right one comes up. Did you know there are fake nfts and you hardly can see which ones are real? You literally need an initial trust anchor like a project website with https to learn about it. What a wonderful irony.
What differentiates a "fake" NFT from a "real" one?
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If anything this makes me seriously rethink my use of homebrew. I already had security-related concerns around it, but the fact that he launched this weird crypto thing that's going to cause a lot of spam on GitHub is pushing me even further away.
It’s completely unrelated to Homebrew. We have zero connection to anything related to Tea and Max hasn’t been involved with Homebrew for the best part of a decade. Mike McQuaid, Homebrew Project Leader and Homebrew maintainer for the last 15 years.
Cryptocurrency has basically completely inverted the trust issue it's meant to solve (at least for many developers). In theory, a decentralized ledger of project contributions / owners is a good idea for distributing sponsorship dollars without a middleman controlling things. In practice, the brand of crypto has gotten so bad that developers are far more likely to trust centralized mechanisms like GitHub's funding.ya…
And it doesn't even solve the trust problem for anything off chain. And even if it would than the question of which chain is the right one comes up. Did you know there are fake nfts and you hardly can see which ones are real? You literally need an initial trust anchor like a project website with https to learn about it. What a wonderful irony.
If you can come up with a system where we could just all imagine up the same blockchain code, parameters, and have the code magically appear on our machines to run, that would be cool, but seems not really possible to me?
OTOH, what you can do with bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies, is download the code, review it, see if you agree to the rules laid out in the code, and if so, run it, and participate.
If you don't have the technical knowledge to do this, like 99.99% of people, you can delegate that trust of verifying and explaining it, to someone of your choosing.
No-one is expecting on-chain ledgers to solve off-chain trust. What they can do is make the process more transperant, more decentralized, and give people a much wider choice. You might look at this as competition. Alternatively you might sit on hn and hope to get a job in ad-tech.
Hi, as it’s come up a few times in the comments: Tea completely unrelated to Homebrew other than happening to have the same creator. Homebrew has zero connection to anything related to Tea and Max hasn’t been involved with Homebrew for the best part of a decade. Mike McQuaid, Homebrew Project Leader and Homebrew maintainer for the last 15 years.
> Led by the creator of Homebrew Max Howell, tea is Homebrew’s spiritual successor.
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It’s completely unrelated to Homebrew. We have zero connection to anything related to Tea and Max hasn’t been involved with Homebrew for the best part of a decade. Mike McQuaid, Homebrew Project Leader and Homebrew maintainer for the last 15 years.
Hey, thanks for responding! That's reassuring, but...how much input would Max still have to Homebrew if he chose to "return"? Like, if tomorrow Max decides that Homebrew is a great vector for another crypto scam, will the existing group of maintainers be able (and willing) to reject any changes in that direction?