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Re: Losing Trust in Google

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Post by gigatexal »

gigatexal wrote: post #60
rootlocus wrote: post #20

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> It's an AI model who cares? It's not like anyone is getting their facts from it People at large are definitely getting their facts from it. Just like a non-negligible number of people consume fake news as facts.

So is it tech's problem that people are lazy, stupid, or both?

I mean am I just an out of touch old man (I'm only 37) who still goes to reputable news sources for my news and then tries to corroborate things that sound outlandish with other research when the headline or claim is ridiculous?

Re: Losing Trust in Google

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Post by verticalscaler »

aredox wrote: post #59
verticalscaler wrote: post #57

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In what universe is this a strong point.

Because pretending Google's answer are brainwashing people is actually an argument in favor of speech policing You wouldn't want Google or others to brainwash people into thinking badly of people of colour, would you? Or is that some kind of _selective_ worry?

Are my two options to brainwash people into thinking goodly or badly of people of color?

Do any other subjects and concerns exist in this world other than people of color or is that kind of a _selective_ bullshitting?

Re: Losing Trust in Google

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Post by D13Fd »

I’m surprised that this is what made the person lose trust in Google - not the years and years of ignoring privacy and treating users as the product.

Re: Losing Trust in Google

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Post by aredox »

verticalscaler wrote: post #62
aredox wrote: post #59

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Because pretending Google's answer are brainwashing people is actually an argument in favor of speech policing You wouldn't want Google or others to brainwash people into thinking badly of people of colour, would you? Or is that some kind of _selective_ worry?

Are my two options to brainwash people into thinking goodly or badly of people of color? Do any other subjects and concerns exist in this world other than people of color or is that kind of a _selective_ bullshitting?

No, there are also "concerning" subjects and concerns in this world, like false medical information, but apparently people don't suddenly write thousand-words screeds against google when that crops up (except when it was about hydroxychloriquine - but of course it is not really about "ethics in evidence-based medicine"...)

Re: Losing Trust in Google

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Post by alphabettsy »

krapp wrote: post #53
bjord wrote: post #15

99% sure this is the "google hates white people" thing that a specific set of people have been absolutely losing their minds about gemini produced images of non-white people in a lot of situations in which it shouldn't have I've read theorized(?) that, in order to counteract disproportionately large amounts of pictures of white people in training data, they basically added instructions after the fact in an effort to…

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You’re exactly right, but unfortunately HN is not the place to have such a discussion.

Re: Losing Trust in Google

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Post by alienicecream »

Honestly, it's really fun watching these woke idiots shoot themselves in the foot over and over and then backpedal when there's a public backlash. With the school board scandals, Hollywood, corporate culture and now tech, they are doing more damage to their cause than the right could ever hope to.

Re: Losing Trust in Google

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Post by TomSwirly »

verticalscaler wrote: post #56
TomSwirly wrote: post #27

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> I think they're simply not telling the truth. That there are bugs in AI training? That when they tried to retrain their model to remove one type of bias, they accidentally went too far the other way? What's his theory? That Google deliberately "by hand" forced their programs to make ridiculous images so that they would be mocked by absolutely everyone? Does the writer think that people who care about racial diversi…

He is a loser because he doesn't think like you? > We shouldn't give these losers a platform. Oh look, the truth fell out of you anyhow.

The idea that Google is trying secretly trying to push some agenda by putting embarrassing and ridiculous bugs into their code is mind-blowingly stupid.

Google is a for-profit company whose interest is in making money.

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Post by TomSwirly »

RugnirViking wrote: post #39
bjord wrote: post #30

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grow up and explain why I'm wrong, instead of just downvoting me into oblivion—if I'm really so far off-base, wouldn't you want to correct my understanding of the situation?

personally im not bothered by the output exactly per se: it would be great if they modified the dataset to be more inclusive instead. The invisible prompt editing is what really gets me. The fact that the ai is instructed after the fact to make changes to what you asked it to do, invisibly. These things really, REALLY need to be tool-shaped, if they do all sorts of hidden extra bits they will be vastly less useful an…

> The fact that the ai is instructed after the fact to make changes to what you asked it to do, invisibly.

And what proof do you have that this paranoid story is happening?

Surely the most simple hypothesis is that this is a bug?

Re: Losing Trust in Google

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Post by gopher_space »

dns_snek wrote: post #38
gopher_space wrote: post #33

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You're making unfounded assumptions, I'm neither of those things. I'm disappointed and extremely entertained by the whole ordeal.

When I look at all of the topics of discussion and concern around AI I can't help but make assumptions about the moths fluttering around this particular candle. If the first thing someone does with this weird new tool is test the edgy teen filter I'm going to draw conclusions from their behavior.

This conversation feels like the tip of the "your viewpoint doesn't actually exist in my AI" iceberg. I think a lot of the folks who talk about logic won't enjoy being forced to rely solely upon it. I know I won't.

Re: Losing Trust in Google

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Post by frizlab »

TomSwirly wrote: post #67
verticalscaler wrote: post #56

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He is a loser because he doesn't think like you? > We shouldn't give these losers a platform. Oh look, the truth fell out of you anyhow.

The idea that Google is trying secretly trying to push some agenda by putting embarrassing and ridiculous bugs into their code is mind-blowingly stupid. Google is a for-profit company whose interest is in making money.

It was on purpose though https://twitter.com/BasedTorba/status/1760486551627182337
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