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Inside North Korea's Forced Labor Program

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would generally be the goal of pieces like this.

I think the goal of this piece is closer to reducing the importation of seafood that is the result of forced labor.

Given what’s outlined in the description above, forced labor doesn’t sound like it would meet the criteria as the chance for defection would be higher (+ glowing reviews from your boss). It sounds more like a description for a highly competitive jobs program.

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Government officials carefully select workers to send to China, screening them for their political loyalties to reduce the risk of defections. To qualify, a person must generally have a job at a North Korean company and a positive evaluation from a local Party official. “These checks start at the neighborhood,” Breuker said. Candidates who have family in China, or a relative who has already defected, can be disqualif…

I do envy the job specific intensive training though.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, poor people are better off in absolute terms than 200 years ago. No one is denying this. The question is more that, given how prosperous we are, and how much capital we have at our disposal, why do we still have so many poor people? Why is income inequality so bad?

Multiply 30000 a year (a lower end US wage) by the number of people living in what the UN defines as poverty. That’s about two billion. You get 60 trillion dollars a year. That’s close to world GDP. If you gave that out and those two billion people tried to spend it, you’d just get hyperinflation because there isn’t enough supply to match that demand. We have a lot of abundance but not that much. Still fewer people a…

At India’s PPP of 3.5 vs the dollar, that would be equivalent to 100k a year for all 1.4 billion people.

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"Why we fight" Even with all the problems in the West, with all that's broken at the moment in our end-stage capitalist societies, never forget that the alternative, in almost all instances, is pure terror.

Never forget that American Exceptionalism relies on comparing itself to the most mismanaged places in the world, ignoring the existence of developed nations entirely We uniquely have the resources to be better and more advanced and create a more productive society with those resources, and merely lack the consensus to do so. There is no need to compare ourselves to anyone else to rationalize our incompetencies, conse…

Why merely compare ourselves to the most mismanaged places in the world when we can imitate them under everyones' nose[1] by directly importing the model into an oft forgotten small patch of American soil in the middle of the Pacific that's out of sight and out of mind, then entrap hordes of Chinese sweatshop laborers at slave wages, brutal hours, and deplorable living conditions to manufacture garments labeled "Made in USA" for a portfolio of popular household brands?

You can't make this shit up...ask me how I know.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Abramoff_CNMI_scandal

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> To trace the importation of seafood from factories that appear to be using North Korean labor, my team reviewed trade data, shipping contracts, and the codes that are stamped on seafood packages to monitor food safety. We found that, since 2017, ten of these plants have together shipped more than a hundred and twenty thousand tons of seafood to more than seventy American importers, which supplied grocery stores inc…

Trade sanctions are actually bureaucratic yellow tape to get around with middleman shell companies. They are at least slightly effective by shifting a fraction of the profits from sanctioned entities to middlemen, so better than nothing. But mostly they allow countries to pretend like they're doing something without actually taking kinetic action.

For example, there are currently a variety of sanctions against the Russian and Iranian petroleum industries. So, they sell at a slight discount to neutral countries such as India which then re-export the "clean" oil.

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Government officials carefully select workers to send to China, screening them for their political loyalties to reduce the risk of defections. To qualify, a person must generally have a job at a North Korean company and a positive evaluation from a local Party official. “These checks start at the neighborhood,” Breuker said. Candidates who have family in China, or a relative who has already defected, can be disqualif…

That would generally be the goal of pieces like this.

I’m not sure why you are being downvoted. I mean in an intellectually honest way, we are fairly powerless, like deglobalization will not solve this and violence by Americans cannot solve this. There’s a whole country of people who are literal close relatives of the victims of this atrocity, and they and their government have determined violence cannot solve this. You don’t need a degree in hottakeology to know this.

It brings to mind Last Train Home, maybe the best piece of Chinese propaganda I’ve ever seen.

Of course there’s no chance that the New Yorker writers are “allied” with some kind of repressive interest, but if the down voters think the authors are aligned with the US commoner, they’re nuts.

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Government officials carefully select workers to send to China, screening them for their political loyalties to reduce the risk of defections. To qualify, a person must generally have a job at a North Korean company and a positive evaluation from a local Party official. “These checks start at the neighborhood,” Breuker said. Candidates who have family in China, or a relative who has already defected, can be disqualif…

> I don't think I"m ever gonna complain about my job in America again.

At the same time, 2024-02-25T18:06:34, 13of40@hn:

>> as a hiring manager, I'm not going to waste my time with a candidate whose resume shows them hopping companies every year or two.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39503133

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Government officials carefully select workers to send to China, screening them for their political loyalties to reduce the risk of defections. To qualify, a person must generally have a job at a North Korean company and a positive evaluation from a local Party official. “These checks start at the neighborhood,” Breuker said. Candidates who have family in China, or a relative who has already defected, can be disqualif…

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