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Re: AI 'dream girls' are coming for porn stars' jobs

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Post by lock-the-spock »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #18
x86x87 wrote: post #17

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There are things you can do. Usually given enough time you'll figure out what's going on and you'll adjust your expectations and manage to have mostly good interactions.

But who is adjusting their expectations? The data does not show women are and being willing to partner with men they don't currently believe to be suitable, and men adjusting their expectations is staying home, playing video games, and watching porn (which is entirely reasonable on their part, considering the landscape; if you can't win, why play?). EDIT: @x86x87 We aren't disagreeing. The marketplace trajectory is a…

I feel like many people (men) here seem to live in a different planet than me. Women care so much less about wealth and looks than men think. Be a nice person, caring, reasonably fun to take with, ensure basic hygiene and carry your part of emotional and household duties and there are plenty of women out there who would be interested. But that also requires going out and meeting real women at work or in leisure environments they enjoy.

Honestly it is quite staggering how easy many fellow men find it to blame women for all supposed dating unfairness, but most do not even a basic own effort (or do so once and then give up when it doesn't work). Take care of yourself, have some hobbies and dare to talk to new people. And stop blaming others or the system or an amorphous and diverse group like women which make up more than 50% of the population for your own unhappiness.

Re: AI 'dream girls' are coming for porn stars' jobs

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Post by lock-the-spock »

amluto wrote: post #49
toomuchtodo wrote: post #9

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We let people buy cigarettes, alcohol, etc. Should we not let them buy this dopamine hit also? The reality of the situation is that the dating marketplace is wildly dysfunctional now [1] [2] [3], and with women empowered and educated, they don't date down like men do [4] (women want high status, high earning men, men want younger, attractive women who can provide kids, very broadly speaking; there are only so many hi…

[1] says, in the abstract: > It was determined that the bottom 80% of men (in terms of attractiveness) are competing for the bottom 22% of women and the top 78% of women are competing for the top 20% of men. This fails one of my heuristics for valid statistics: things that don’t deserve to be exactly equal are exactly equal. We're supposed to believe that the women can be partitioned into groups A (bottom 22%) and B…

Fully agree, this is unscientific nonsense trying to model an incredibly hard to model thing. People seem to just Google papers that support their worldview without even bothering to read them.

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Post by yieldcrv »

gedy wrote: post #50
yieldcrv wrote: post #19

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the other side of this is that uneducated women cant reliably date up anymore and this is single handedly exacerbating inequality greater than capital consolidation and other socioeconomic factors although it might currently masquerade as a cultural thing or a factor of the gender identity, men dated down out of necessity, by population alone. find the study to corroborate that, this is the first generation where the…

> the other side of this is that uneducated women cant reliably date up anymore That's not the case? If you are young and attractive woman, you'll have no problem dating up for the most part.

I should clarify, the stats are for who is actually getting married by prior socioeconomic class.

And I’m considering everything else to be an entertainment option.

But the dating patterns corroborate the same view. Wealthy men picking younger and attractive women who offer nothing else have a population constriction too. There are far more poorer people than wealthy, its too small of a population for it to buck a trend further compounded by the newfound existence of women who are the first generation in their higher socioeconomic class.

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Post by toomuchtodo »

lock-the-spock wrote: post #61
toomuchtodo wrote: post #18

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But who is adjusting their expectations? The data does not show women are and being willing to partner with men they don't currently believe to be suitable, and men adjusting their expectations is staying home, playing video games, and watching porn (which is entirely reasonable on their part, considering the landscape; if you can't win, why play?). EDIT: @x86x87 We aren't disagreeing. The marketplace trajectory is a…

I feel like many people (men) here seem to live in a different planet than me. Women care so much less about wealth and looks than men think. Be a nice person, caring, reasonably fun to take with, ensure basic hygiene and carry your part of emotional and household duties and there are plenty of women out there who would be interested. But that also requires going out and meeting real women at work or in leisure envir…

I would encourage you to set aside your feelings, and instead consume the data and build your model from there. Observe what people do, not what they say ("revealed preference"). What does the data show us?

I believe I have provided robust citations throughout this thread, and am happy to consider any data you might have refuting those citations; your advice blatantly ignores the data. Certainly, from a dating perspective, hygiene, emotional health, and maximizing social opportunities is important. But you will still arrive at poor outcomes if counterparties are not interested in what you offer (which I address verbosely with links in thread). Expectations are cheap to have, and the cost is borne by the party who must jump through hoops to attempt to meet them.

If aggregate female expectations are beyond what a male population cohort can obtain, what do you expect of those men? They can either grind to meet a standard they will never meet, or opt out and seek their own happiness. Is it wrong to believe someone's expectations are unrealistic? I don't believe so, that is an opinion that can be held. I am happily partnered for over two decades, the advice I give to young men is simple: rapidly ascertain if a potential partner is worth your time and energy, and move on the moment you discover they're not. If you don't want a partner, or the effort is not worth the outcome, opt out and live your best life solo. That is all you can do. ~50% of first marriages fail, and the numbers get worse for second (67%) and third (73%) marriages. Most of this is luck anyway.

(I recommend "Everybody Lies: Big Data, New Data, and What the Internet Can Tell Us About Who We Really Are" by Seth Stephens-Davidowitz on this topic: https://www.amazon.com/Everybody-Lies-Internet-About-Really/...)

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Post by hpenvy »

jkic47 wrote: post #39
pdxandi wrote: post #31

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What did you mean when you later referred to it as damaging and addictive?

Simple. While not all activities depicted in porn are damaging to all people, some activities can be damaging some people. Doesn't have to be black or white. Make sense?

Do you think that the distortions effects are negative or positive overall now? And in the future? I'd argue they are positive now and in the future, so it sounds like this is where your disagreement is coming from (since you said it as if it's overwhelmingly negative now and into the future).

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Post by x86x87 »

acdha wrote: post #55
x86x87 wrote: post #45

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I'm sorry, what? Choking someone without their consent? This is not porn, it's assault. Anal sex is not enjoyable? It is. And has been a thing for eons. In fact anal sex was a way to workaround getting pregnant before birth control was a thing/was mainstream. I feel like we have the puritan point of view of what sex should be and anything that is not that is bad/not pleasurable. So here's where I land: what whatever…

> I'm sorry, what? Choking someone without their consent? This is not porn, it's assault. Seeing it in porn is what makes some men think it’s mainstream and something that their partner should enjoy, and there are many reports that it’s no longer uncommon for someone to try it unsolicited and then express surprise when his partner complains. > Anal sex is not enjoyable? It is. For men, yes, but women don’t have a pro…

you know, the same kind of discourse used to be applied around videogames. The claim was that they will turn kids into murderers. In reality: video games make you smarter and may even contribute to kids being more social.

It's the perpetual protestant bullshit that has plagued the society in US for hundreds of years now. God forbid we see a breast or are exposed to a dick or mention the possibility of inserting something into an asshole - everything will break down.

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Post by x86x87 »

almatabata wrote: post #52
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #24

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There was an article last week about AI boyfriends being a thing now in China. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2024/02/13/asia-pacific/so... I guess that women just aren’t so interested in porn as they are in companionship. That somehow men and women will tend to use AI differently?

> I guess that women just aren’t so interested in porn as they are in companionship Depends how you define porn. For example smut books are very popular among women, I think they are even the primary market for them. It is not that they are not interested in porn, they are just looking for a different type. Note as well in reports women report using the AI boyfriend for sex as well ("Both Valenciano and Ramos say sex…

> It is not that they are not interested in porn, they are just looking for a different type.

amen to that. everyone has some sort of drive to reproduce that is hardwired into us.

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Post by x86x87 »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #18
x86x87 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are things you can do. Usually given enough time you'll figure out what's going on and you'll adjust your expectations and manage to have mostly good interactions.

But who is adjusting their expectations? The data does not show women are and being willing to partner with men they don't currently believe to be suitable, and men adjusting their expectations is staying home, playing video games, and watching porn (which is entirely reasonable on their part, considering the landscape; if you can't win, why play?). EDIT: @x86x87 We aren't disagreeing. The marketplace trajectory is a…

@toomuchtodo I think we are saying the same thing. Were we differ maybe a bit I read this correctly in how much agency one individual can have and how hard it is to swim against the current.

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Post by acdha »

x86x87 wrote: post #66
acdha wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm sorry, what? Choking someone without their consent? This is not porn, it's assault. Seeing it in porn is what makes some men think it’s mainstream and something that their partner should enjoy, and there are many reports that it’s no longer uncommon for someone to try it unsolicited and then express surprise when his partner complains. > Anal sex is not enjoyable? It is. For men, yes, but women don’t have a pro…

you know, the same kind of discourse used to be applied around videogames. The claim was that they will turn kids into murderers. In reality: video games make you smarter and may even contribute to kids being more social. It's the perpetual protestant bullshit that has plagued the society in US for hundreds of years now. God forbid we see a breast or are exposed to a dick or mention the possibility of inserting somet…

There’s a key difference: nobody thinks playing a game is practicing for a real career as a space marine or heroic paladin. There’s a ton of research published about how teenagers and young adults do pick up unrealistic or even harmful ideas from porn because, unlike almost all games, it is depicting a part of life they will actually practice. Worse, various sex negative cultural beliefs mean that there are a ton of people who are not getting countervailing information – you could argue, for example, that teenagers playing GTA encourages bad driving but they will have good examples from their parents & neighbors, classes, etc. explaining how it really works.

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Post by raxxorraxor »

questinthrow wrote: post #4

To be honest I've seen more than one man fall down the onlyfans rabbit hole. There's a lot of lonely men out there that are being taken advantage of and if AI can help them stop getting emotionally swindled then all the more power to AI. Of course, ideally, these men should improve themselves by making more money, growing taller at the gym and getting a new jawline but for some its not an option especially since dati…

I think many men don't even try or they restrict themselves to online dating. There are a lot of women looking for partners, regardless of your jawline.

Especially if you have a high level of education there seem to be a lot more women than men and intelligence equally inhibits many of them to find fitting dates. Sure, if you do online dating, better have a good resumé and some good photos.

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