seems like as if Gemini was trained excessively on Google PR and marketing material. Case in point: https://store.google.com/
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Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues
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#62why are we using image generators to represent actual history? If we want accuracy surely we can use actual documents that are not imagined by a bunch of code. If you want to write fanfic or whatever then just adjust the prompt
You're right we should ban images of history altogether. Infact I think we should ban written accounts too. We should go back to the oral historic tradition of the ancient Greeks
He did not say he wanted to ban images, that is an exaggeration. I see the danger as polluting the historical record with fake images (even as memes/jokes), and spreading wrong preconceptions now backed by real-looking images. This is all under the assumptions there are no bad actors, which makes it even worse. I would say; don't ban it, but you morally just shouldn't do it.
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#63why are we using image generators to represent actual history? If we want accuracy surely we can use actual documents that are not imagined by a bunch of code. If you want to write fanfic or whatever then just adjust the prompt
Ah. So we can trust AI to answer truthfully about history (and other issues), but we can't expect it to generate images for that same history, got it. Any other specific things we should not expect from AI or shouldn't ask AI to do?
No, you should not trust AI to answer truthfully about anything. It often will, but it is well known that LLMs hallucinate. Verify all facts. In all things, really, but especially from AI.
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Yes, and that is why there was such a large call to ban slavery in the UK back in the day - it was happening to them [1] just as much as it was happening to others. That call eventually led the UK to ban slavery upon which it used its navy - back then the strongest in the world - to patrol the seas in search of slavers. When they found them they released the slaves. The West Africa Squadron (or 'the Preventative Squadron') was formed in 1808 to suppress the Atlantic slave trade by patrolling the coast of West Africa.
Of course this did not end slavery all over the world, it continues both legally as well as illegally in Africa and parts of Asia. Slavery was prevalent in many West and Central African societies before and during the trans-Atlantic slave trade. When diverse African empires, small to medium-sized nations, or kinship groups came into conflict for various political and economic reasons, individuals from one African group regularly enslaved captives from another group because they viewed them as outsiders [1].
It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on this.
[1] https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofEngland/Barba...
[2] https://ldhi.library.cofc.edu/exhibits/show/africanpassagesl...
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#65why are we using image generators to represent actual history? If we want accuracy surely we can use actual documents that are not imagined by a bunch of code. If you want to write fanfic or whatever then just adjust the prompt
You're right we should ban images of history altogether. Infact I think we should ban written accounts too. We should go back to the oral historic tradition of the ancient Greeks
Exactly, and as we all know all ancient Greeks were people of color, just like Cleopatra.
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#66There's an amusing irony here: real diversity would entail many competing ML companies from non-Western countries —each of which would bring their own cultural norms, alien and uncomfortable to Westerners. There's no cultural diversity in Silicon Valley being a global hegemon: exporting a narrow sliver of the world's viewpoints to the whole planet, imposing them with the paternalism drawn from our own sense of superi…
And there are cases where the global infocoms just don't care about what is happening locally, and bad consequences ensue :
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37801150
EDIT : part 4 : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37907482
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#67why are we using image generators to represent actual history? If we want accuracy surely we can use actual documents that are not imagined by a bunch of code. If you want to write fanfic or whatever then just adjust the prompt
As far as we know, there are no photos of Vikings. It's reasonable for someone to use AI for learning about their appearance. If working as intended, it should be as reliable as reading a long description of Vikings on Wikipedia.
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#68OpenAI already experienced this backlash when it was injecting words for diversity into prompts (hilariously if you asked for your prompt back it would include the words, and supposedly you could get it to render the extra words onto signs within the image).
How could Google have made the same mistake but worse?
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#69why are we using image generators to represent actual history? If we want accuracy surely we can use actual documents that are not imagined by a bunch of code. If you want to write fanfic or whatever then just adjust the prompt
You're right we should ban images of history altogether. Infact I think we should ban written accounts too. We should go back to the oral historic tradition of the ancient Greeks
Woah, no one said that but you.
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#70This is almost a tacit admission that they did put their finger on the scale. Is it really AI if there is human intervention?