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Re: Rotten Apple

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Post by itsoktocry »

thimp wrote: post #36
pretext-1 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Somehow this is not a problem on Android even though they have sideloading and alternative app stores even beyond what Apple is going to allow. (Apple still requires apps to go though a review process, even if distributed outside of the App Store, and will enforce this using digital signatures.)

This is actually a big problem on Android. My ex father-in-law literally had his bank account ripped off (£18000) from rogue app installed from outside the app store. And Google's stewardship of the play store is terrible. Note I'm mostly an Android user.

>This is actually a big problem on Android.

The fact that you have an anecdote does not make it a "big problem".

If you're side loading apps and entering banking credentials into them, that's a human problem, not a tech problem.

Re: Rotten Apple

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Post by apples_oranges »

Perhaps we have reached peak Apple. I was a fanboy for a long time but when USB-C came to the iPhone something clicked for me. There was no good reason except money making why they didn't do it sooner. Perhaps the magic spell is broken. Yes, their computers may be good, but maybe the company that makes them, isn't.

Re: Rotten Apple

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Post by Fischgericht »

thimp wrote: post #13
everydaypanos wrote: post #8

Why Safari can’t just launch from a Home Screen bookmark even if the user has chosen another “default browser”? PWAs are already a separate “island” of storage and share nothing with Safari App… Microsoft does it all the time with Edge on Windows.

Perhaps this is just "all we could deliver by the compliance deadline without compromising platform security" ? The truth is usually a lot less interesting than the hypothesis.

How would suddenly disallowing users to run a PWA that worked for years improve platform security? How would having Spotify be able to use their own subscription system compromise platform security?

Being able to install software without needing an OK from the hardware manufacturer has been standard for over 40 years now. People do it on Windows PCs, on Linux PCs, on MacBooks and on Android phones, and that very clearly has not caused the extinction of the dinosaurs yet :)

The document Apple has published to me reads like it's written by a 5 year old that just was served too many sweets shortly before bed time.

IMHO this is about revenge, not about platform security.

Re: Rotten Apple

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Post by christkv »

rickdeckard wrote: post #29
5350-uiop-1130 wrote: post #3

fighting to sustain a monopoly it indicates to me a lack of ideas about the future reacting rather than preparing

I think their idea of the future is very much centered around selling the attention and purchasing power of their customers. That's not meant to be rude "Anti-Apple", that's what their business strategy is obviously based on, including implementing lots of features to prevent their users from voluntarily providing attention or sharing valuable information for free to anyone without Apple's involvement. If that's your…

I think that’s coming fast as slumping sales will put the focus on making more money from services and probably soon selling data

Re: Rotten Apple

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Post by alias_neo »

mobilemidget wrote: post #57
Keyframe wrote: post #43

I have an ipad through which I subscribed for Apple arcade. I don't use it / play at all on it and there was recently an email that price is going up. Sure, I'll just cancel subscription I said. I don't have my ipad on me, nor any other apple device (I don't use them anymore), nor windows. I have linux machines and android phone. Ok, so how do I cancel subscription? icloud login? no. subscription place of sorts? it w…

So when you sign up for Apple Arcade, which strangely you dont use? Why sign up for it? But then it's okay that you need to have your iPad to signup, but when you want to cancel it is strange that you need your iPad. I understand it would be nice if you can login to a website and cancel, but reads as if you make your mistake of not taken your iPad, or cancelling in time a fault of others.

> but when you want to cancel it is strange that you need your iPad

Come on, of course that's ridiculous.

Of course a reasonable person would expect to be able to cancel a subscription without needing the device it was created on when they used an account that you can log into from basically anywhere.

If I bought an iPad and subscribed to something, and then accidentality dropped it off a cliff, or out of a plane, or lost it in the sea, and I decided you know what, I don't want any more Apple stuff, you can be damn sure I'd expect to be able to cancel any subscriptions I had on that account (you know, the account you can log into from any computer or device), from somewhere other than on the device itself.

Suggesting anyone should expect otherwise is insanity.

Re: Rotten Apple

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Post by addicted »

robenkleene wrote: post #58

This is a terrible argument: > You can read Apple’s announcement on being forced to comply but as you do you so, I’d like you to remember one thing: every nightmare scenario they describe for the security of users in the EU is exactly what currently happens on Macs everywhere in the world. There's 1.5 billion iPhone users vs 100 million Mac users, Apple believes that at least part of the reason for that difference is…

> There's 1.5 billion iPhone users vs 100 million Mac users

It’s beyond hilarious, after years of seeing Apple users fight back against the idea that the Mac’s better security relative to windows Windows has anything to do with its smaller user base, to see Apple users insist that the Mac’s smaller user base relative to the iPhone is what makes it more secure.

Re: Rotten Apple

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Post by frizlab »

> Instead of graciously acknowledging that this is what’s best for users, Apple are throwing a tantrum.

I’m a user and a developer and I’m convinced this is not what’s best for users.

Re: Rotten Apple

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Post by agos »

reaperman wrote: post #56
natch wrote: post #23

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Re: 1) … my macbook can access / store / display nearly all the same “deeply personal” data as my iPhone. - Apple Health data - Photos/videos - Notes - etc

wait is it possible to see health data on a macbook? or it's just in the backups?

Re: Rotten Apple

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Post by dwighttk »

Sure this situation already exists on Mac OS but that is a much smaller user base and there are plenty of alternatives where you can go and install arbitrary software.

I deal with weird stuff my parents have installed on their Macs every time I visit… so far I haven’t had to do that with their phones. If I wanted them to use a Firefox browser engine on their phone I’d get them an Android.

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