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Re: Indian government moves to ban ProtonMail after bomb threat

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Post by candiodari »

konschubert wrote: post #11
bheadmaster wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Now, how do they enforce / check these "assemblies of people" depends on the people you ask. I assume police officers enforce / check them when they need to fill their ticket quota, want to get money through a bribe, or just want to punish someone who personally annoyed them? That's how it usually works with half-enforced laws. In every law, there should be a requirement that it either gets enforced equally, or it…

Selective enforcement transfers all power to the enforcer.

... which is the point.

Re: Indian government moves to ban ProtonMail after bomb threat

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lynx23 wrote: post #58
jvanderbot wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a stereotype and probably not true. Many deep thinkers are humanists. It's probably more likely around the hyper rational types, but my boss is the most empathetic engineer I've ever worked for. This is anecdotal but your comment seems fairly clearly overbroad

I've seen the stereotype confirmed on HN several times already. Whenever I, a blind pedestrian, voice my concerns about driverless car technology, I am being downvoted and outright critizised. The undertone is "How can this single person try to block an emerging technology". That pretty much confirms the statement that tech people sometimes have a hard time with human concerns.

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Re: Indian government moves to ban ProtonMail after bomb threat

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Post by mfrw »

2Gkashmiri wrote: post #18

https://www.onmanorama.com/content/mm/en/kerala/top-news/202... so apparently a child was abducted and one thing led to another and the child was recovered so the child revealed how he was shown tom and jerry cartoon. the police then went on a fishing trip and literally cross referenced which user in a particular area watched tom and jerry on youtube at a particular time/date to find the cuprits. if this wont get you…

If this is the current condition, what alternatives are there that you may suggest apart from; `Don't use it!`

Re: Indian government moves to ban ProtonMail after bomb threat

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Post by yungporko »

lynx23 wrote: post #58
jvanderbot wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a stereotype and probably not true. Many deep thinkers are humanists. It's probably more likely around the hyper rational types, but my boss is the most empathetic engineer I've ever worked for. This is anecdotal but your comment seems fairly clearly overbroad

I've seen the stereotype confirmed on HN several times already. Whenever I, a blind pedestrian, voice my concerns about driverless car technology, I am being downvoted and outright critizised. The undertone is "How can this single person try to block an emerging technology". That pretty much confirms the statement that tech people sometimes have a hard time with human concerns.

i think it just confirms that in any given group of people, a majority percentage of them will be self absorbed dickheads.

Re: Indian government moves to ban ProtonMail after bomb threat

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Post by midasuni »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #19
cedws wrote: post #13

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UK government has tried to ban encryption time and time again. This is what happens when you have old/incompetent career politicians in power instead of deep thinkers like scientists and engineers.

> deep thinkers like scientists and engineers That doesn't work, either, because they tend to be rather dismissive of human concerns, and, at its heart, government is all about humans. I don't have a solution, but I don't think that declaring that only one-or-another "class" of humans is fit to govern, is it.

The U.K. has a system where experts in various fields like medicine and engineering are put in the lawmaking process, in addition to experts in becoming elected (ie raising money and selling non tangible ideas to people)

It’s not perfect of course, but in my opinion it’s better than a fully democratic system.

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

jvanderbot wrote: post #26
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> deep thinkers like scientists and engineers That doesn't work, either, because they tend to be rather dismissive of human concerns, and, at its heart, government is all about humans. I don't have a solution, but I don't think that declaring that only one-or-another "class" of humans is fit to govern, is it.

That's a stereotype and probably not true. Many deep thinkers are humanists. It's probably more likely around the hyper rational types, but my boss is the most empathetic engineer I've ever worked for. This is anecdotal but your comment seems fairly clearly overbroad

> Many deep thinkers are humanists.

That's the deal, though. Engineers and scientists don't have a monopoly on "deep thinker™".

My sister is a "deep thinker." She has an economics degree from Princeton, and has been working at very high levels, for decades.

Very decent human being. Not sure if she'd be interested in being a "leader," though.

That's part of the problem; it's almost as if wanting the job, automatically disqualifies you.

But you are right. It's an overbroad statement.

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Post by oarla »

recroad wrote: post #14

India for all intents and purposes is now an ethno-national state with no press freedom, severe persecution of minorities, and human rights violations aplenty. I grew up in India when it was a relatively secular state. For example, when the Babri Masjid (mosque) was destroyed by Hindus in the early 90s, the national magazine, India Today and major newspapers led with the headline, "India's Shame" and acknowledge how…

Tangential to the article being discussed, as this is not about secularism.

Not all the facts provided, just a one sided view that is parroted repeatedly in online forums with the intention of claiming a moral high ground when the facts are far more complex and intricate.

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Post by pmontra »

midasuni wrote: post #65
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> deep thinkers like scientists and engineers That doesn't work, either, because they tend to be rather dismissive of human concerns, and, at its heart, government is all about humans. I don't have a solution, but I don't think that declaring that only one-or-another "class" of humans is fit to govern, is it.

The U.K. has a system where experts in various fields like medicine and engineering are put in the lawmaking process, in addition to experts in becoming elected (ie raising money and selling non tangible ideas to people) It’s not perfect of course, but in my opinion it’s better than a fully democratic system.

Do those unelected experts advise on new legislation, even write it (why not? We don't expect elected politicians to be experts in much more than ordinary people) or do they also vote to approve or reject those laws like elected politicians do?

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Post by AwaAwa »

bheadmaster wrote: post #10
rockyj wrote: post #5

Ban everything you cannot control / understand! That is the classic Indian bureaucracy reaction. For example, They also banned tinted windows in cars after an assualt happened in a car. Then, there was a time where they banned something or the other on a daily basis. Even right now there is Section 144 imposed in multiple cities - which means a "ban" on "unlawful assembly" of 5 or more people. 5 or more people in mul…

> Now, how do they enforce / check these "assemblies of people" depends on the people you ask. I assume police officers enforce / check them when they need to fill their ticket quota, want to get money through a bribe, or just want to punish someone who personally annoyed them? That's how it usually works with half-enforced laws. In every law, there should be a requirement that it either gets enforced equally, or it…

This is true of every nation on earth. The bar is lower in countries where volumes work better.
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