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The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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Post by ceejayoz »

nonethewiser wrote: post #45
rozap wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If energy just cost what it actually cost (no fossil fuel subsidies) the rest would follow. The market distortion from gas subsidies has caused this mess, we didn't get to everyone driving a 5000 pound vehicle due to the free market. We got here because of backwards laws and automaker's exploitation of said laws. Fuel or electricity should cost what it costs. Vehicles need to be taxed according to their externalities…

What fossil fuel subsidies are you referring to?

https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/global-fossil-f...

> U.S. fossil fuel subsidies stretch across the U.S. tax code, which makes detailing their costs complex. The IMF estimates they stood at $760 billion in 2022, a figure topped only by China.

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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Post by rootusrootus »

michaelbuckbee wrote: post #16
alphanumeric0 wrote: post #12

These prices are pretty meaningless. They said the same thing about Hyundai Konas but dealer prices are substantially different. Used/new car purchases continue to be a terrible value proposition.

Same with F-150 Lightning - _insane_ levels of dealer markup.

Not any more. Within 20 miles of where I'm sitting there are two dozen Lightnings for sale at MSRP (and I'm not in a big city). Markups are not really a thing at this point. Too-high of an MSRP is causing these to languish on the lot. Ford needs to start doing rebates like the good old days.

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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Post by rootusrootus »

ceejayoz wrote: post #59
leetharris wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no way this is true. That would be over 50% battery degradation and it's completed covered within the 8 year warranty. Battery failures happen, but no 6 year old Tesla is at 60% battery degradation without a system failure. Also, lithium ion batteries are almost entirely recyclable. Once we've mined enough and have a good recycling process in place, this will become more affordable for your average person.

Or they've been Ubering with it and put a million miles on.

Or someone is full of crap. Can't discount that possibility.

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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Post by kube-system »

idiotsecant wrote: post #34
kube-system wrote: post #31

If any automaker can make a car that meets these criteria, I will buy one immediately: * it is available, new, at my local dealer, for * it will enable me to travel to a destination 1.5 hr away, and return, without stopping to charge * it has a reliable fast-charging network * doesn't stream video of me to someone else's computer I don't really think I'm asking for much.

Which one of those does this not meet? The available inventory?

It's not available, probably won't be on a lot at my local dealer when it is, and if it is, it'll probably be marked up above sticker and only in higher trims. And it comes with a CCS socket on it, which will plug right into electrify america's junk or it needs some adapter to plug into Tesla's network. I'm not holding my breath.

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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Post by FredPret »

thfuran wrote: post #56
FredPret wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If regulation is needed to force the existence of electric cars around the 20k mark, that means nobody wants to buy them now

How do you figure?

For 20k, you can deliver a certain level of EV. Features, size, performance, looks.

If there was a big enough market for that EV at 20k to make production practical, car companies would make them in an effort to maximize profit.

But Americans have a lot of money and a lot of space and want big vehicles; EVs are more expensive to produce, so it’s the rich people that want EVs. And those people aren’t going to buy a little toy box.

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

loopdoend wrote: post #10
LeoPanthera wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unusually for almost any car these days, it doesn't support CarPlay, so you will be required to use whatever "smart" functions are built-in.

If GM wants to drop CarPlay and force me to use their broken laggy garbage I just won't buy their car same goes for Tesla. Not paying a subscription fee for GPS.

Unfortunately, Tesla has one of the better less laggy less broken software stacks (vs. CarPlay and Google's equivalent).

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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Post by rootusrootus »

ajross wrote: post #35
tcbawo wrote: post #14

I know someone with a 6 year old Tesla X that now has a range of around 120 miles. This is becoming a serious impediment for them. What happens to all the buyers of these vehicles when their range is halved before their life expectancy is up? Needing to pony up another $10-15k will probably be unaffordable for the average Joe.

> I know someone with a 6 year old Tesla X that now has a range of around 120 miles Yeah, I really don't think you do. That would be an outrageously wild outlier. As others are pointing out, the simple warranty terms promise a 4-5x lower degradation. I won't say it's impossible to break a battery that badly in six years, but if it happened your friend is doing some crazy stuff to their car. More likely you're misunde…

> More likely you're misunderstanding or they're spinning

That's my bet. Cold winter, some pack degradation, US highway speeds, and only considering 60% of the capacity (20%-80% for road tripping), 120 miles between supercharging stops is plausible.

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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Post by rozap »

throwway120385 wrote: post #47
rozap wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If energy just cost what it actually cost (no fossil fuel subsidies) the rest would follow. The market distortion from gas subsidies has caused this mess, we didn't get to everyone driving a 5000 pound vehicle due to the free market. We got here because of backwards laws and automaker's exploitation of said laws. Fuel or electricity should cost what it costs. Vehicles need to be taxed according to their externalities…

A good thing to campaign for is revision of the EPA rules that exempt light trucks from certain mileage rules, or the ones that increase the allowable fuel consumption based on the wheelbase of the vehicle. This is one of the major drivers increasing the size of vehicles in the US, as I understand it.

Yes, it's very backwards.

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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Post by leesec »

ceejayoz wrote: post #21
leesec wrote: post #18

I very much bet it will not. Or if it will they will be selling at a giant loss. Here's another claim from them in 2018 about upcoming cars requiring a technological breakthrough: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/01/12/577688125... .

That's... something completely different? Self-driving cars with no human controls? Wrong link?

I just mean they've claimed in the past something outlandish coming soon and then didn't deliver. A 35,000 SUV EV with 300+ range would be breaking ground.
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