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I'm an engineer that needs to sell my services. Any good books on sales?

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Re: I'm an engineer that needs to sell my services. Any good books on sales?

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Prospecting Your Way to Sales Success, by Bill Good.

Although mostly about telemarketing, it's mathematical point of view is unique and will delight your engineer brain. It's principles are still used extensively in financial services.

Made me a bunch of money.

Re: I'm an engineer that needs to sell my services. Any good books on sales?

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#1 is something I have a hard time with. I'm a developer who became a generalist and my specialty is not one particular thing. The corporate world wants to pigeon hole me into being a product manager, I'm only average at that. Being able to blend engineering, product, some marketing and general leadership skills is my thing. I can kind of do everything, but I don't know how to make a clear list of services to explain…

Rather than specializing in a skill you could specialize in a market or domain e.g. digital services for furniture manufacturers (probably not a domain you personally are familiar with, but just an example).

So far I've been finding myself bringing product marketing to companies that don't already do it (they bring me in to improve engagement and product marketing is the low hanging fruit). I really don't want to get pigeon holed into that though.

Re: I'm an engineer that needs to sell my services. Any good books on sales?

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https://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Consulting-Giving-Getting-Suc... The Secrets of Consulting: A Guide to Giving and Getting Advice Successfully by Gerald Weinberg

Seconded. All books by Gabriel Weinberg. Some books you read to reflect upon or be better informed. His books instead, are likely to change the way you conduct your business, or validate correct behaviors you adopted instinctively.

Damn auto-correct. Of course it's Gerald Weinberg. I have my favorite: "Are Your Lights On?: How to Figure Out What the Problem Really is" just on my table right now :-)

Can't edit my comment anymore, so leave the correction here.

Re: I'm an engineer that needs to sell my services. Any good books on sales?

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I am an engineer and have been working in Sales Engineering for more than 15 years now. You are on an interesting and fruitful quest and I wish you well.

The biggest shift in moving from engineering to sales is that your priority is no longer being the smartest person in the room. Unless, of course, you understand that the smartest person in the room is the person who gets the deal done in a mutually advantageous way. There will always be someone who wants to appear smarter than you, LET THEM. Your goal is to make a living.

The one thing I would say to remember is that your integrity is the most valuable thing that you have, bar none. Don't trade it away for anything. Over the long-term, sales is about finding a great solution that meets the needs of your customer, not winning deals or negotiations.

Here are a few books I found useful in my journey: * Let's get real or let's not play - https://www.amazon.com/Lets-Get-Real-Not-Play/dp/1596592060 * The Three value conversations - https://www.amazon.com/Three-Value-Conversations-Customer-Lo... * Never Split the Difference - https://www.amazon.com/Never-Split-Difference-Negotiating-De... * Leadership is Language - https://www.amazon.com/Leadership-Language-Changes-Differenc... * Draw to win - https://www.amazon.com/Draw-Win-Course-Innovate-Visual-ebook...

Re: I'm an engineer that needs to sell my services. Any good books on sales?

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Id recommend just giving it a shot and not reading books about it. You'll learn way more, way faster. And it'll be hard, there will be constant rejection, and there will be mistakes, but it's the only way. Speak to people, message people, put yourself out there online and in person. Follow up when people may be interested, and don't follow up if people arent. All you need is a contract / statement of work / agreement if your havent already, and get a business to sign it. That's all there is, everything else is a distraction. Forget every other theory about sales, it's certainly not a science but there's a world of snake oil sales people - selling to sales people - it's nearly all bullshit. Just know what your offer is and see who wants it. Youre no doubt a smart and capable person if you're a lead DevOps I'm sure, you will get hired and paid, confidence and applied effort is all you need. Good luck. I say all this confidenently as I sell software services for a living, I'm good at it (with all humility).

Re: I'm an engineer that needs to sell my services. Any good books on sales?

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Rather than specializing in a skill you could specialize in a market or domain e.g. digital services for furniture manufacturers (probably not a domain you personally are familiar with, but just an example).

So far I've been finding myself bringing product marketing to companies that don't already do it (they bring me in to improve engagement and product marketing is the low hanging fruit). I really don't want to get pigeon holed into that though.

What about branding yourself as an "Engagement Consultant"? That's a more defined service with plenty of demand (probably) and doesn't quite pigeon hole you into one type of activity.

Re: I'm an engineer that needs to sell my services. Any good books on sales?

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I have a lisp, a stutter, and would be happy to live in a cabin in the woods far far away from civilization... but I got out of tech and now make a living in real estate and I'm active in politics. If I can learn the techniques to play an extrovert on TV, then anyone can do it. You have to have a plan for how to develop the skills and you have to put work into it, but it really is possible for anyone.

Would you mind if I reached out to you? I have the same stuff, but I haven’t been able to find any good coaching or books on speech.

I will email you, but really I don’t know that I can be much help. I did speech lessons as a really little kid, but don’t think they helped much with the lisp. The stutter comes and goes - I will suddenly have a run where it’s happening a lot and then it goes away. Not sure if it is tied to stress or sleep or ?? Started very young but has never been so pronounced that I’ve sought to do anything about it - I generally don’t even think about it, but lately it’s been back again.
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