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Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

#61

Banning a Flipper Zero for Car Thefts is like banning a BB Gun for Firearm Deaths.... You're targeting the wrong device lol. edit: Further perspective: You need something that can perform a relay attack. You need someone with a powerful enough antenna to find the remote inside someone's home and relay it to a person near the car. This involves at least 2x CC1101's > As you can see, small embedded antennas are very in…

Don’t worry, Australia already did that.

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Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

#62
The issue isn't devices like the Flipper Zero as much as the weak standards of security (and perceived obscurity) being used to not use actual security to secure cars.

Auto manufacturers could .. create more secure devices for cars. Of course existing vehicles are a different problem. That was avoidable to some degree.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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This is what happens when you let your government run wild. You can't carry a pocketknife in the UK, you can't carry a Flipper in Canada. Insane. I genuinely hope the US does not become even more of a farce of a democracy like these two. Soon our own fingers will be banned "for our own safety."

    UK knife law allows you to carry non-locking pocket knives with a blade length up to 3 inches (7.62 cm) without any need for a valid reason.
https://www.knivesandtools.com/en/ct/uk-knife-laws.htm

If you've got a job related need to carry a mofo knife (cane cutting with a machete) there's no drama.

Yes, it's regulated - but it's not what you claim it to be.

Next you'll be claiming there's no guns in Australia.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

#64

Relevant part: > Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada (ISED) Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada will work with Canadian companies, and the automotive industry, to develop new solutions to protect vehicles against theft and to assist with recovery of stolen vehicles. > ISED will pursue all avenues to ban devices used to steal vehicles by copying the wireless signals for remote keyless e…

> What would be okay is to ban the use of an F0 to steal a car.

Ban carrying them. If it's truly an educational tool you don't need to carry it around with you. Same as (in the UK) carrying a set of lockpicks is grounds to be arrested for 'going equipped' unless you're a locksmith.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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The Flipper Zero is a general-purpose tool and STEM educational device. By banning the device, a country would be setting back their workforce of engineers and scientists a bit. How can you use a Flipper Zero to steal a car? Flipper Zero can't crack hard encryption. Is the real problem that cars were made with security that they already knew was negligently weak at the time? If so, is a recall of those cars more appr…

Nah fuck this. Someone on the plane I was on kept triggering it to do bluetooth attacks ('not your airpods') while I was trying to read (and have my earphones on connected via bluetooth so fuck me right?). There's hacked firmware's you can install [0]. I understand that there are probably tons of other devices like this out there but this one was SO fucking popular and easily accessible. I've already seen this thing…

I am on the fence here. In terms of difficulty, isn't it basically like surfing on someone's unprotected wifi and being surprised that someone can see what you are doing?

I am not excusing the behavior, but I also don't see arrest as an appropriate remedy.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

#66

Hah. I knew this would happen. The Flipper is basically marketed as a hacking tool.

It's a shame, it looks like a fun tool to play with, but the marketing is so gross. I'm not exactly a saint but I'm not into harmful mischief and it's marketed purely at the 'hey we can break things now lmao' userbase, ugh

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

#67

Banning a Flipper Zero for Car Thefts is like banning a BB Gun for Firearm Deaths.... You're targeting the wrong device lol. edit: Further perspective: You need something that can perform a relay attack. You need someone with a powerful enough antenna to find the remote inside someone's home and relay it to a person near the car. This involves at least 2x CC1101's > As you can see, small embedded antennas are very in…

this is just on brand for the Liberal government They banned a bunch of sport shooting and hunting guns because they look “scary” when criminals largely use handguns to commit crime. Licensed gun owners in Canada are statistically the least likely people out of all to commit crime of any kind (let alone gun crime), as they are background checked every day. Let alone the fact that criminals use illegal black market ha…

Their stated aim was reduction in harm in (would be) mass shooting incidents, generally.

I own guns, wish I could own more, and dislike 'liberal' and conservative infringements of my rights equally, but at least get the claims straight.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is just on brand for the Liberal government They banned a bunch of sport shooting and hunting guns because they look “scary” when criminals largely use handguns to commit crime. Licensed gun owners in Canada are statistically the least likely people out of all to commit crime of any kind (let alone gun crime), as they are background checked every day. Let alone the fact that criminals use illegal black market ha…

Their stated aim was reduction in harm in (would be) mass shooting incidents, generally. I own guns, wish I could own more, and dislike 'liberal' and conservative infringements of my rights equally, but at least get the claims straight.

They literally called it an "assault-style gun" ban. If that's not judging guns based on how scary they look then what would you call it?

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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post #10

The Flipper Zero is a general-purpose tool and STEM educational device. By banning the device, a country would be setting back their workforce of engineers and scientists a bit. How can you use a Flipper Zero to steal a car? Flipper Zero can't crack hard encryption. Is the real problem that cars were made with security that they already knew was negligently weak at the time? If so, is a recall of those cars more appr…

Nah fuck this. Someone on the plane I was on kept triggering it to do bluetooth attacks ('not your airpods') while I was trying to read (and have my earphones on connected via bluetooth so fuck me right?). There's hacked firmware's you can install [0]. I understand that there are probably tons of other devices like this out there but this one was SO fucking popular and easily accessible. I've already seen this thing…

A person messing with RF while in an airliner should probably be arrested, I agree with that part.

Probably best not to have the tool in carry-on, even powered-off, and I'd understand if TSA didn't permit that (like they wouldn't let a chef carry-on their knives, another tool with very legitimate purposes).

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