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Hackintosh: OpenCore EFI for HP Pavilion Aero 13 Laptop

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Re: Hackintosh: OpenCore EFI for HP Pavilion Aero 13 Laptop

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Post by tracker1 »

Yaina wrote: post #54
kristopolous wrote: post #22

Help me on this. Do people really like say, macOS but not Apple hardware? Is this to lower cost? Just a hobby project? All the above? Forgive me. I've been on Linux since the 90s and don't really engage much with the Apple ecosystem. I don't mean this as a dig. I'm really ignorant on this stuff.

I've had a Hacktintosh from 2016 until end of last year. Initially I just did it because I assembled a pretty good PC for gaming, but for work stuff I liked macOS more, so dual booting was a nice option! This was also before the M-series chips, where you had to pay a hefty premium to get better Intel processors, and also (imo) Apple increasingly struggled with the heat produced by the chips. Things got a bit more ann…

Yeah, in the head issue, the last work issue i9 MacBook I ever had was absolutely horrible... Would stutter and freeze up constantly under load and just become unusable as a platform.

It was nice in paper, but really needed to be undervolted and under locked... Not an easy task in a mbp. I couldn't get IT approval to buy a software to do it and didn't have local permission to load a self signed driver to do it either.

It was unusable for such a beast of a machine on paper.

Re: Hackintosh: OpenCore EFI for HP Pavilion Aero 13 Laptop

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Post by tracker1 »

kelnos wrote: post #28
kristopolous wrote: post #22

Help me on this. Do people really like say, macOS but not Apple hardware? Is this to lower cost? Just a hobby project? All the above? Forgive me. I've been on Linux since the 90s and don't really engage much with the Apple ecosystem. I don't mean this as a dig. I'm really ignorant on this stuff.

I never really understood it either. And I'm someone who (only moderately successfully) used to run Linux on various Mac laptops. I had the opposite problem: I really really really liked Mac hardware, but was kinda meh on the OS. I think in the mid-00s I could understand Hackintosh users to some extent. Mac hardware was (and still is) expensive, and OS X was a really nice, developer-friendly OS. But macOS has gotten…

I will say I love the touchpad experience in macOS... Nothing else compares.

I have an mà air for my personal laptop, still running macOS though.

Re: Hackintosh: OpenCore EFI for HP Pavilion Aero 13 Laptop

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Post by tracker1 »

kristopolous wrote: post #29
kelnos wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never really understood it either. And I'm someone who (only moderately successfully) used to run Linux on various Mac laptops. I had the opposite problem: I really really really liked Mac hardware, but was kinda meh on the OS. I think in the mid-00s I could understand Hackintosh users to some extent. Mac hardware was (and still is) expensive, and OS X was a really nice, developer-friendly OS. But macOS has gotten…

Maybe I'm just too rich to appreciate it these days but a, say, 1-year old used mac mini m2 looks like it can be snatched for around $499 on ebay. The PC equivalent, probably a 2023 Dell Optiplex 7010, for instance, looks to be just about the same amount ($449). Compare https://www.ebay.com/itm/364218215167 with https://www.ebay.com/itm/276266965157 I think we've hit the commodity price point market with used Apple h…

Now upgrade to 32 or 64gb of ram...

Re: Hackintosh: OpenCore EFI for HP Pavilion Aero 13 Laptop

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Post by wutwutwat »

kristopolous wrote: post #22

Help me on this. Do people really like say, macOS but not Apple hardware? Is this to lower cost? Just a hobby project? All the above? Forgive me. I've been on Linux since the 90s and don't really engage much with the Apple ecosystem. I don't mean this as a dig. I'm really ignorant on this stuff.

I had to unwillingly sell my m1 MacBook Pro months ago because finding work has been a struggle and it came down to selling anything of value.

The only compute I had after that was an old thinkpad x270, dual core with 8gb memory.

I ran Debian with kde for awhile, but I like the macOS workflows and key bindings too much. I like the quality polished native apps folks build. I like homebrew casks, etc. It’s running opencore and Sonoma right now. For me, it was a way to get the OS I am productive in while no longer being able to afford the expensive hardware.

I fear that with Apple making their own arm chips now, hackintoshes are on numbered days. It’s only a matter of time before the OS no longer runs on x86_64 and they are already starting to drop support here and there.

Re: Hackintosh: OpenCore EFI for HP Pavilion Aero 13 Laptop

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Post by hexagonwin »

colordrops wrote: post #43
486sx33 wrote: post #2

Happy you are posting about hackintosh but generally sharing EFI folders isn’t at all best practice. Anyone who runs a hackintosh should learn how to build a proper config.plist with propertree for their own setup. Spread knowledge not scripts :)

I'm confused, why are EFI folders unique in their need to be manually pieced together, as compared to pretty much any other of the thousands of subsystems on a computer?

Every machine differs and the quirks needs to be set on the bootloader for hackintoshes. So the bootloader configuration file and required drivers (kexts) are added directly to a folder in the EFI partition.

Re: Hackintosh: OpenCore EFI for HP Pavilion Aero 13 Laptop

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Post by dkjaudyeqooe »

alarsama wrote: post #55

I have used this EFI folder for my own HP Pavilion Aero 13! It works for the most part! I even commented in some of the issues for that GitHub repo a few months back… However, I had issues with sleep/wake. This has been the common pain point for me when working with Hackintoshes. There are a lot of things that can break sleep/wake, and I rely heavily on that feature working without issue. As much as I love Hackintosh…

> As much as I love Hackintoshes, they can be a huge time sink if you want 1-1 feature parity with an equivalent Apple product.

Although this is broadly true it can generally be avoided by using proven hardware and premade EFI folders, which is what I've always done. I have no interest in spending time getting things working but there are many options available that don't require it. Most people in this boat are those with existing hardware who are determined to get it working.

> Hackintoshes make for great fun projects where you do not rely on that computer for day-to-day operations.

I run my Hackintosh 24/7 and it stays up for months on end. I've had very few unprompted crashes over the years. The reliability of the hardware is entirely based on what you buy.

> Though the ability to Hackintosh may soon be impossible with newer OS versions. It is only a matter of time since Apple is moving away from Intel x86 processors, which is part of what allowed Hackintoshes to be possible in the first place.

The Intel transition will have little effect on Hackintohses for now. Apple is likely to support their Intel products with updates until about 2030 and then you can keep using them for many years thereafter. Most people will be fine for at least 10 years.

Re: Hackintosh: OpenCore EFI for HP Pavilion Aero 13 Laptop

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Post by sokoloff »

jspizziri wrote: post #56
kristopolous wrote: post #22

Help me on this. Do people really like say, macOS but not Apple hardware? Is this to lower cost? Just a hobby project? All the above? Forgive me. I've been on Linux since the 90s and don't really engage much with the Apple ecosystem. I don't mean this as a dig. I'm really ignorant on this stuff.

In my case (and I suspect many others) the answer is Xcode. I develop native apps which means I need access to an iOS dev environment. iOS development is nearly impossible without Xcode, so the only way to do it is either pay a virtualization penalty (which is not appealing when Xcode builds already take a massive amount of time), have a specific machine just for iOS work (which would be super inconvenient, even with…

This might not be an answer you like, but I find the virtualization penalty (running on proxmox [kvm]) to be acceptable. In synthetic benchmarks, the penalty is possible to measure but small (1-3% typically). Passing through a AMD graphics card and a USB port, I get a pretty good experience in using it and an excellent experience in administering it [backups/snapshots, restores, etc. are all super clean].

If I measure against "is it viable?", for me the answer is "absolutely, yes".

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