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Colorado pastor charged for cryptocurrency scam he perpetrated at God's command

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Post by datavirtue »

trust_bt_verify wrote: post #39
ionwake wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Location. Like male circumcision it simply doesnt exist outside of the USA, unless you count random african countries like Ghana. No idea why, if anyone wants to enlighten me let me know.

Kinda a naive statement. Around 1/3 of males in the world are circumcised with highest rates in the US, Middle East, and South Korea. https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/treatments/16194-circu...

Traditional: a word used to apply a veneer of legitimacy. Deligitamizing adjacent alternatives.

Like referring to public school as "traditional education" in comparison with the implied "non-traditional" home schooling (which is the actual tradition).

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Post by test77777g »

spamizbad wrote: post #54

Lots of people mocking the “God commanded me to do X” but if you’re familiar with evangelical Christian culture, this line gets used to justify all sorts of behavior and life decisions that might go against what one would traditionally expect a devout Christian to avoid. Obviously fraud and financial crimes are an extreme version of this, but it’s a line I’ve heard to justify all sorts of legal albeit self-destructiv…

I’m an atheist and frequent places where men have anonymous gay sex and the majority of the men are “devout” Christians for me it’s a kink, I don’t feel a lot of guilt, and neither do they, lies are their choice and it shows.

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Post by numbsafari »

dash2 wrote: post #36
throwup238 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He’s a pastor, not a priest. They have a whole thing about indulgences. It’s kinda their founding prohibition. Though based on this guy’s fundamental moral failings, that probably wouldn’t have stopped him…

That's a brilliant idea: indulgences on the blockchain!

Non Fungible Absolution?

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Post by muglug »

nickpsecurity wrote: post #48

Followers of Jesus Christ are commanded and equipped to test prophets rather than blindly believing them. Here's God's Word on that: "If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, “Let’s go after other gods” (which you have not known) “and let’s serve them,” you shall not listen to the words of tha…

The verses from Deuteronomy aren’t a clear-cut condemnation, because they refer to following other gods vs the God of the old testament. Deuteronomy was transcribed at a time when there were a ton of potential gods for the Israelites to follow.

The Bible also has lots of stories of people taking incredible risks to follow the leaders God chose for them, so I'm not sure it has great advice for biblically-minded investors under the sway of a greedy pastor.

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Post by amenhotep »

edgyquant wrote: post #41
JohnMakin wrote: post #23

What’s funny is if he promises eternal rewards instead of $$$ this isn’t illegal at all.

That isn’t funny and there isn’t a widely accepted intrinsic value to eternal paradise. You’re just anti-religious and want the excuse to let us all know

There'll be edge cases, but I think it's pretty clear that there is in fact a widely accepted intrinsic value to eternal paradise. What isn't widely accepted is the intrinsic value of some tradition telling you that eternal paradise exists and you can get into it.

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Post by marginalia_nu »

JohnMakin wrote: post #23

What’s funny is if he promises eternal rewards instead of $$$ this isn’t illegal at all.

At least the Church of the SubGenius has a triple money back guarantee if you don't get eternal salvation.

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Post by LNSY »

spamizbad wrote: post #54

Lots of people mocking the “God commanded me to do X” but if you’re familiar with evangelical Christian culture, this line gets used to justify all sorts of behavior and life decisions that might go against what one would traditionally expect a devout Christian to avoid. Obviously fraud and financial crimes are an extreme version of this, but it’s a line I’ve heard to justify all sorts of legal albeit self-destructiv…

It's been used to justify all sorts of child abuse, also. Going back to Abraham's abuse of his son Isaac and Lot and his Daughters.

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Post by ionwake »

trust_bt_verify wrote: post #59
Ographer wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to be clear, because the intro to that article is not, it's much more rare for circumcision to be required for purely medical or hygiene reasons. Let's not prepare that excuse. This form of genial mutilation is most often performed on babies for no reason other than perpetuating religious or cultural expectations of the parents.

I made no statement or determination on whether the practice was right or wrong or why it may be done. I only refuted the statement that it was only seen in the US and Africa. Your positions on the genitalia of American men sound very well thought out and I encourage you to pursue that further!

No, that is incorrect, linking to a study discussing the benefits of circumcision implies bias. If you had linked to both a positive and negative article, such as one regarding how it permanently destroys male sensitive at the head of penis both producing discomfort for female partners during initial penetration, aswell as permanent trauma in child in other studies, then you would have not made a biased statement with your link pasting.

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Post by blantonl »

Hustle culture is the new set of MLM/Ponzi schemes of our time. It is a scourge on humanity, and I see no redeeming ways for participants to enjoy real, honest, legal success. I've watched participants of hustle culture in my immediate vicinity in life, and it almost always leads to participants venturing into dubious or flat out illegal activities to fund their "fake it till you make it" lifestyle.

I'm convinced that the vast majority of these folks are either selling unlicensed securities, sham interests in social media / crypto / real estate / commodities / life coach etc, or they are stealing directly from the federal government via tax shams and assistance programs. The sheer number of hustle culture participants that "participated" in PPP (paycheck protection program) for example fraud is frightening.

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