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Re: Orthic Shorthand – Write as fast as you type

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Post by euroderf »

dcminter wrote: post #16
lifthrasiir wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Use other languages, perhaps? English is a relatively compact language in terms of visual space, but there are even more compact languages. Typical examples include East Asian languages (Chinese, Japanese and Korean) and Nordic languages (Danish, Finnish, Norwegian and Swedish).

> Nordic languages (Danish, Finnish, Norwegian and Swedish) Do you have a citation for that? I know some Swedish and often need to read documents in it and I don't get the impression that it's any more compact than English.

Any Estonian will tell you that Finnish is similar to Estonian except that it takes twice as long to say anything.

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Post by wavemode »

heads wrote: post #2

Looking at images of shorthand makes me remember how much I just enjoyed playing the 2023 game Chants of Sennaar : https://www.rundisc.io/chants-of-sennaar/ The game’s dialogue and story are all written in a series of ever more complex writing systems, unseen and novel to the game. There’s a mechanic where you get to prove to the game you understand what is being written or said (characters have subtitles also in the…

That reminds me a lot of the game TUNIC, where, similarly, a big part of the game is figuring out the language.

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Post by BeetleB »

sieste wrote: post #30

Trading off writing speed for legibility seems wrong to me. Writing fast is a skill that can be learned by regular practice. If you spend half the time to learn an illegible code like orthic on simply practicing your usual handwriting you'll end up writing quite a bit faster while increasing legibility. I would try that first.

Writing fast with the English alphabet puts a strain on one's hand. You won't feel it unless you already have hand issues. You can keep adjusting how you grip the pen to improve things, but there is a baseline limit due to the orthography.

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Post by gumby »

I like the idea of a faster handwriting script. I've actually found the old Graffiti script pretty good (fast and clear) for writing notes. I remember I used to see it on whiteboards when MBAs were writing -- probably showing off. Unfortunately if I write on my ipad (my main use of it) the OS does a pretty good job of OCRing it so I can search my notes. The same thing isn't possible with anything abnormal like Graffiti.

Classic shorthand has never worked for me as it records the sound rather than the semantics. This is reasonable as a way to time delay dictation (when you read the shorthand you hear the sound in your head, so you type as if you were hearing the person speaking in realtime). But when I read I don't hear any sounds, so this would be like listening to the person speak, which defeats all the advantages of reading.

Re: Orthic Shorthand – Write as fast as you type

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Post by gumby »

jbosh wrote: post #57
patch_collector wrote: post #47

Is anyone aware of any good iPad apps for writing notes in shorthand, then converting to text? I currently use an app called Nebo to write notes and journal entries, then convert them to text before uploading into other systems. It works well, and I really appreciate being able to get away from a keyboard, but I'm a much slower writer than typist.

Imagine the rennessaince in shorthand if this became a thing. It feels like the best of both worlds (writing and typing).

But much worse for reading. If the system can translate it into text though (conceptually no different from the dictation button) then I agree it could be a big win.

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Post by Night_Thastus »

wavemode wrote: post #62
heads wrote: post #2

Looking at images of shorthand makes me remember how much I just enjoyed playing the 2023 game Chants of Sennaar : https://www.rundisc.io/chants-of-sennaar/ The game’s dialogue and story are all written in a series of ever more complex writing systems, unseen and novel to the game. There’s a mechanic where you get to prove to the game you understand what is being written or said (characters have subtitles also in the…

That reminds me a lot of the game TUNIC, where, similarly, a big part of the game is figuring out the language.

You're able to actually translate the language? I assumed it was not decipherable and you just have to figure it out from the parts that are translated, trial and error, and interpolating/extrapolating.

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Post by lelandbatey »

gumby wrote: post #64

I like the idea of a faster handwriting script. I've actually found the old Graffiti script pretty good (fast and clear) for writing notes. I remember I used to see it on whiteboards when MBAs were writing -- probably showing off. Unfortunately if I write on my ipad (my main use of it) the OS does a pretty good job of OCRing it so I can search my notes. The same thing isn't possible with anything abnormal like Graffi…

Just for context, the word "Graffiti" is talking about the proprietary single-stroke writing system from Palm, Inc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graffiti_(Palm_OS)

Re: Orthic Shorthand – Write as fast as you type

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Post by aidenn0 »

Semaphor wrote: post #60
aidenn0 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Titan Slim is newer and thinner but has a > 4" screen on top of the keyboard, making it quite tall.

Yeah, I saw that. I’d like a combination of both :D But it will be at least another, maybe 2-3 years, so who knows what they’ll have out by then. I’d also have to check the support story.

I have had 2 Unihertz phones and I'd classify the support as "better than you'd expect for the price, but only so-so in absolute terms"

Re: Orthic Shorthand – Write as fast as you type

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Post by drewcsillag »

One of the things I like about Gregg is that similar sounds p/b f/v t/d have similar shapes so when reading, if it’s ambiguously or wrongly written, by pronouncing what’s there, I can figure out which one was meant. Also, since Gregg is phonetic, I don’t have to worry about how to spell either.

Orthic has some of that, but not to the extent of Gregg.

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