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Re: Tell HN: How an elderly couple I know had their computer 'stop working'

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:) Well, add that to the list of things that didn't prevent or solve the problem, unfortunately. Also, I was thinking: If I was in that situation I might SSH into it from a different machine. Yeah, good luck with that to the elderly couple.

You have to enable remote SSH in the settings, first.

And actually have a second computer -- "elderly couple" quite highly implies that this computer is likely the only one they have.

Re: Tell HN: How an elderly couple I know had their computer 'stop working'

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A remote access tool with a client pre-configured could fix this. E.g., if this happened to me, I'd use KDE Connect since I already have it paired.

You still need another device to remote in. Odds are you could just zoom from that device

...zoom or another meeting system would require the other side to accept the connection. Using...what? OTOH, low-level remote access usually lacks any UI (such as the mentioned KDE Connect's Remote input, which mimics another input device).

But again, this requires some planning beforehand. Even "ssh in, install a remote viewer and use that" would require SSH to be there and reachable from outside (as NAT is likely). In the end, this is no different from "just grab the wired mouse and plug it in. Which one? Well the one you prepared beforehand."

Re: Tell HN: How an elderly couple I know had their computer 'stop working'

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Surely they charge the keyboard and mouse. Wouldn't at least one of them be charged via a USB cable? Plugging that to the computer would turn the peripheral into a wired USB one.

Ever tried using an Apple mouse while charging? ;) Jokes aside, not all bluetooth devices turn wired once plugged in. I know my MX Keys USB-C port is only for charging, for example.

Yeah, and as it happened this was an iMac with a Magic Mouse, so plugging it in was also not an option.

Re: Tell HN: How an elderly couple I know had their computer 'stop working'

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post #56

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Ever tried using an Apple mouse while charging? ;) Jokes aside, not all bluetooth devices turn wired once plugged in. I know my MX Keys USB-C port is only for charging, for example.

A keyboard is sufficient to turn Bluetooth on: • Hit ⌘-space to open Spotlight. • Type enough of "bluetooth file exchange" to find the Bluetooth File Exchange app and launch it. • Bluetooth File Exchange will see that Bluetooth is off and give you a dialog offering to turn it on, with turning it on the default action, so just hit return and Bluetooth will get turned on.

Given very careful instruction this might have worked. But I didn’t know this trick myself to begin with. Now I do!

Re: Tell HN: How an elderly couple I know had their computer 'stop working'

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Surely they charge the keyboard and mouse. Wouldn't at least one of them be charged via a USB cable? Plugging that to the computer would turn the peripheral into a wired USB one.

I was under the impression that the Apple keyboards could work via the lightning cable. Could be an old battery one though

They do, but instructing them to enable Bluetooth using only the keyboard didn’t seem feasible to me.

Re: Tell HN: How an elderly couple I know had their computer 'stop working'

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I’m pretty sure macOS does warn you that turning Bluetooth off will disconnect your keyboard/mouse/trackpad, if thats the only input device you’ve got connected. Not sure when it was introduced but it’s definitely there on the latest version because I bumped into it the other day.

Interesting! If that’s the case, great! But I believe the couple in question is on an older iMac not upgradeable to the latest version of macOS, so they would still be out of luck.

Re: Tell HN: How an elderly couple I know had their computer 'stop working'

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post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to enable remote SSH in the settings, first.

And actually have a second computer -- "elderly couple" quite highly implies that this computer is likely the only one they have.

For sure. I did say ‘if it had happened to me’, though. And I do happen to have SSH enabled on both of my machines.

Re: Tell HN: How an elderly couple I know had their computer 'stop working'

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I chuckled reading this… would restarting the Mac re-enable the Bluetooth?

Perhaps. IIRC, if a Mac starts and no keyboard is attached or paired it will show a Bluetooth searching dialog box

Interesting. Didn’t know, will have to check that.

Re: Tell HN: How an elderly couple I know had their computer 'stop working'

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I chuckled reading this… would restarting the Mac re-enable the Bluetooth?

Yes. One of the things I absolutely fucking loathe on my MacBook is it will always turn on the Bluetooth upon hard (re)boot. I never use Bluetooth; I turn it off for a reason. It literally does not matter what I tell the operating system to do: The tooth must blue, for that is the One Apple Way(tm).

If I had known that rebooting would re-enable Bluetooth, that would’ve been a good fix in this particular situation. Although I do see how it can be annoying under normal circumstances.

Re: Tell HN: How an elderly couple I know had their computer 'stop working'

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Surely, this computer must have come with a non-BT keyboard and/or mouse, though?

An iMac comes with all wireless peripherals, but the charging cables for the devices can be used for using them wired in this situation.

Not the Magic Mouse, though, unless you’re very skilled with your fingers.
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