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Judge blocks JetBlue from acquiring Spirit Airlines

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Re: Judge blocks JetBlue from acquiring Spirit Airlines

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But without this deal they will go bankrupt and then there will be no Dollar General of the skies and the customer loses. Maybe allowing private markets to work would have been a good idea?

Considering reorganization under bankruptcy is not equivalent to going out of business.

While true, it is equivalent to shareholders in that they get wiped out.

Re: Judge blocks JetBlue from acquiring Spirit Airlines

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Meanwhile MSFT, a monopolist megacap, was allowed to buy Activision-Blizzard?

Yup, a firm monopoly on videogames if you ignore consoles [1], and PC (Steam, Epic) and mobile. [1] https://www.ign.com/articles/ps5-has-outsold-xbox-series-x-a...

Last I checked JetBlue isn't a monopoly either (quite the opposite, in fact).

That suggests that there are other reasons to block a merger other than preventing a monopoly from from growing.

Re: Judge blocks JetBlue from acquiring Spirit Airlines

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But without this deal they will go bankrupt and then there will be no Dollar General of the skies and the customer loses. Maybe allowing private markets to work would have been a good idea?

Considering reorganization under bankruptcy is not equivalent to going out of business.

There’s not a lot of room for effective restructuring here — for Spirit it’s more of a revenue problem rather than just a debt service problem. They’d probably end up in Chapter 7 (liquidation) pretty soon after starting Chapter 11 proceedings

Re: Judge blocks JetBlue from acquiring Spirit Airlines

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Meanwhile MSFT, a monopolist megacap, was allowed to buy Activision-Blizzard?

The FTC of US & CMA of UK made Microsoft spend a ton of money to get that acquisition & tried very hard to block it. A US judge in California ruled the FTC had a bad case.

Microsoft & Activision merging only moved them to the 3rd largest studio. Also it has plenty of pro competition factors allowing them to compete against Sony & Nintendo. They also made deals with many other distributors about expanding their game reach via cloud services. Lastly it allowed them to acquire King. Microsoft would like to break into mobile gaming more & there is a very monopolistic walled garden ala Google & Apple.

Go after Microsoft for their monopolist tactics but this wasn't one.

Re: Judge blocks JetBlue from acquiring Spirit Airlines

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I am personally happy with this decision. I don’t love flying spirit but I respect them, ever since hearing their former CEO speak on a Planet Money podcast. He said straight up that Spirit Airlines is aiming to be the Dollar General of the skies. If you want something luxurious, go elsewhere. But he called out the other airlines who pretend like they are the Nordstrom of the skies, but don’t actually live up to that…

It should be noted that these were 2 small airlines trying to merge together with very little overlap & a willingness to divest more if the Government would work with them. The government refused to talk divestures & it seemed just wanted to block this deal to set a precedence. I do not think they care about Spirit's future or competition here.

Another important item from the trial - only 1/3 of Spirit customers pay the low fee without add-ons. The rest go for something more Jet Blue like anyways.

The precedence that the judge set here is more important than the actual merger. If any tiny subset of customers are harmed the deal cannot go through. I was really surprised to see this from a judge appointed by President Reagan. This could really crush M&As in America.

Re: Judge blocks JetBlue from acquiring Spirit Airlines

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

On a side note, I find it interesting that JetBlue is considered "low cost" but has the absolute best domestic business class by a long shot.

I've always considered JetBlue to be a value leader vs. low cost leader. They have nicer seats, in seat entertainment in all classes and have a pricing/refund/exchange policy that is more customer friendly than competitors. Spirit is just going for low cost. Southwest is in between where they want low cost but you have to fight for a seat and might needs to have 2 or 3 stops to cross the country depending on where yo…

They also have free wifi, which even Southwest still doesn't offer.

Re: Judge blocks JetBlue from acquiring Spirit Airlines

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I am personally happy with this decision. I don’t love flying spirit but I respect them, ever since hearing their former CEO speak on a Planet Money podcast. He said straight up that Spirit Airlines is aiming to be the Dollar General of the skies. If you want something luxurious, go elsewhere. But he called out the other airlines who pretend like they are the Nordstrom of the skies, but don’t actually live up to that…

But without this deal they will go bankrupt and then there will be no Dollar General of the skies and the customer loses. Maybe allowing private markets to work would have been a good idea?

Spirit runs with a 28 inch seat pitch, which is often physically shorter than the distance between someone's rear end and knee caps[1]. It's an unusual choice. Most other low cost carriers have 31 inches or more. I'm not sure Dollar General is the right comparison.

[1] Once you account for the padding, the angle you have to sit at, etc. Even if you aren't unusually tall, it is noticeably awkward and cramped.

Re: Judge blocks JetBlue from acquiring Spirit Airlines

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I am personally happy with this decision. I don’t love flying spirit but I respect them, ever since hearing their former CEO speak on a Planet Money podcast. He said straight up that Spirit Airlines is aiming to be the Dollar General of the skies. If you want something luxurious, go elsewhere. But he called out the other airlines who pretend like they are the Nordstrom of the skies, but don’t actually live up to that…

It should be noted that these were 2 small airlines trying to merge together with very little overlap & a willingness to divest more if the Government would work with them. The government refused to talk divestures & it seemed just wanted to block this deal to set a precedence. I do not think they care about Spirit's future or competition here. Another important item from the trial - only 1/3 of Spirit customers pay…

> I was really surprised to see this from a judge appointed by President Reagan

Really? How old is he, 80? Why do Americans insist in having such geriatric leaders, they're starting to make Iran look normal...

Re: Judge blocks JetBlue from acquiring Spirit Airlines

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I am personally happy with this decision. I don’t love flying spirit but I respect them, ever since hearing their former CEO speak on a Planet Money podcast. He said straight up that Spirit Airlines is aiming to be the Dollar General of the skies. If you want something luxurious, go elsewhere. But he called out the other airlines who pretend like they are the Nordstrom of the skies, but don’t actually live up to that…

It should be noted that these were 2 small airlines trying to merge together with very little overlap & a willingness to divest more if the Government would work with them. The government refused to talk divestures & it seemed just wanted to block this deal to set a precedence. I do not think they care about Spirit's future or competition here. Another important item from the trial - only 1/3 of Spirit customers pay…

> The Justice Department argued that smaller, low-cost airlines like Spirit helped reduce fares and that allowing the company to be acquired by JetBlue, which tends to charge higher prices than Spirit, would have hurt consumers.

In the new era, practices, perceptions and mission statements have to also be up to a standard, not just statistics. I wonder how long this could go on for.

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