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GMail: designer arrogance and the cult of minimalism

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Re: GMail: designer arrogance and the cult of minimalism

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post #54

Well at least there's a giant red COMPOSE button, because every time I see a giant red button, I think COMPOSE! I'm hoping that they'll do another revision soon to make it look more like the recently updated G+ design, which actually puts some visual separation between content and navigation (and also doesn't have giant red buttons).

There isn't on my GMail, because I figured out how to change the theme...

Re: GMail: designer arrogance and the cult of minimalism

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Personally, I love the new GMail interface and have been using it for months. I like that is less cluttered and that I can more easily configure what is displayed. I've changed the buttons to be text in the settings as I did find the icons hard to pick at a glance. I also love the new themes.

It's interesting to me to see so many people grumble at interface changes whether it's Facebook or Gmail.

Re: GMail: designer arrogance and the cult of minimalism

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I really do buy the "change aversion" theory. I never used Gmail before the current design, and now I use it every day without problems. I click an email and I can read it. Importance and starring work as expected. And, the interface is very smart about not moving things out from under me when I make a change, much like Chrome's tab bar. Except for the slowness, I think this UI is a fine way to handle email.

the fundamental problem I have with the redesign is the fact that it introduced usability problems that weren't there before. I'll admit the redesign may have solved other ones, I admittedly didn't notice them at the time.

The three points the author pointed out are some glaring usability issues that can be a problem for a big chunk of people. Just because you or I can use it without a hitch doesn't mean its a great design.

Re: GMail: designer arrogance and the cult of minimalism

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It's funny, a couple of years ago I was reading articles about how Google's design teams were supposedly hamstrung by their culture of incessant testing. I remember anecdotes about a/b testing 41 different shades of blue and designers being made to provide data for their choice of border width. Now a whole bunch of people who haven't seen Google's test data are adamant that their redesigns are a usability disaster. U…

OK. I'll call them inept and pan their design based on months of USE. As far as I'm concerned, there's only one example needed to prove the failure of this new design: http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6034/6310566055_4a5f5d4a53_b.j...

Go to Settings > Labels, then pick the ones that you want to show. Pity your "months of USE" didn't take you that far...

Re: GMail: designer arrogance and the cult of minimalism

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I'm in the same boat, and think the usability of the new interface is terrible. And the pretentiousness of the "form over function" design still makes me gag. But Chrome plugins like "Minimalist for Everything" make it almost bearable.

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/bmihblnpomgpjkfdde...

This and similar tools let hide and modify GMail with custom CSS and Javascript. Instead of trying to convince Google to behave rationally, it's easier to try to warp the new interface into something usable. I think about half the things in the article are already covered.

If only I could figure out a way to get the "stars" on the same side in the message view as on the overview...

Re: GMail: designer arrogance and the cult of minimalism

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post #53

It's funny, a couple of years ago I was reading articles about how Google's design teams were supposedly hamstrung by their culture of incessant testing. I remember anecdotes about a/b testing 41 different shades of blue and designers being made to provide data for their choice of border width. Now a whole bunch of people who haven't seen Google's test data are adamant that their redesigns are a usability disaster. U…

When Brin took the lead, the design culture inside Google changed. My facts may be slightly off, but Brin essentially gave a lot more freedom to designers. As part of the Google redesign (or +ifying), Brin gave all the design responsibilities to the same division that's been producing some Google's commercials. This is undoubtedly a division that appreciates design more, but arguably doesn't appreciate the data as mu…

Um...Page took the lead, not Brin.

Re: GMail: designer arrogance and the cult of minimalism

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All of the things that he's complaining about are changeable in settings. And not even buried three levels deep -- they're right on the first settings page! 1. Pick a different theme. I have one with a blue background, not the default light/white one. 2. Go into the general settings, and change your star to a different colour, ie. enable the red, or blue one, or the green checkbox. Now they stand out. 3. Go into the…

Thanks, changing the labels to text is a big help. I didn't even notice it there in General settings. It still doesn't change the tiny "..." link to a text label (the thing you click on in a message to show previous messages in the conversation). See my other comment here about Fitts' Law.

Re: GMail: designer arrogance and the cult of minimalism

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post #54

Well at least there's a giant red COMPOSE button, because every time I see a giant red button, I think COMPOSE! I'm hoping that they'll do another revision soon to make it look more like the recently updated G+ design, which actually puts some visual separation between content and navigation (and also doesn't have giant red buttons).

There isn't on my GMail, because I figured out how to change the theme ...

As did I, but the defaults shouldn't be awful.

Re: GMail: designer arrogance and the cult of minimalism

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What did you find hard to read about the site? I was able to read it just fine. (just double-checked). Nice big text with high, but not too high, contrast. What's not to like?

I'm sorry but the text is tiny! It looks no bigger than 8px. Are you reading it on a mobile device perhaps?

Yes, I see the small text now. :) Looks like firefox remembered the text-zoom setting i must have set for some other subdomain of wordpress.com.

To be fair to the blogger, he probably is also a victim here: he's probably reusing a theme (edit: yep, scroll to the bottom) whose designer committed the tiny-text idiocy.

At least he didn't do low contrast and tiny text like most other sites do (e.g., posterous). :)

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