It's illegal to record others without their consent! Thats the law. Definitely sucks being laid off but doing such and then posting it online showing your face not very smart!
Only true in some states.
Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]
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#62cloudflare comes off as absolutely cowardly in this: they don’t even have the person’s manager on the call, they claim it’s a personal performance issue but when pressed it’s actually the whole department getting canned. It’s a bad look
Yep, this is a very bad look and if it goes seriously viral, is a PR disaster for hiring going forward. At least for me, it only takes a few of these stories to destroy the perception that a place is a good place to work (and that it isn't run by HR).
It's been at the top of r/sales for almost 2 days now and the comments section is just savage. Real shame, I like cloudflare a lot and it makes me sad to see stuff like this.
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#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
She's asking for an explanation that they can't give her, and also trying to use some bizarre appeal to emotion by mentioning "trauma" and how much this will upset her life.
It was her performance, but she didn’t agree
They literally reply that it was a higher level thing that had to do with her team. So a layoff. The initial text seemed like filler.
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#64It's illegal to record others without their consent! Thats the law. Definitely sucks being laid off but doing such and then posting it online showing your face not very smart!
That entirely depends on the state. Most are 1 party consent states where as long as 1 person on the call knows its being recorded its legal: https://www.justia.com/50-state-surveys/recording-phone-call...
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
She's not arguing to change the outcome, she's arguing to call out the hypocrisy/bullshit. In some sense it's pointless, yes; in some other sense, you deserve an argument if you don't deal straightly with the person you're laying off.
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One party consent states exist (in fact, most US states are this way). So no, it’s not illegal.
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nope it’s not. It’s illegal to record a conversation where no participant is aware of the recording. She is aware, so it’s all fine
lol and Umm have you ever been on a zoom call before ..ones that's being recorded. Before you join you must give your ok that you are going to be recorded. Everyone has to do the same who joins. You probably haven't been on a business zoom call yet!
Federal law (18 U.S.C. § 2511) requires one-party consent, which means you can record a phone call or conversation so long as you are a party to the conversation.
The Federal Wiretap Act
This law prohibits the secret recording of an oral, telephonic, or electronic communication that other parties to the communication reasonably expect to be private. However, if at least one party to the conversation consents to the recording, the recording is lawful.
Want more slaps? Enjoy your malware rootkit zoom calls which had nothing to do with “the law”
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#67It's illegal to record others without their consent! Thats the law. Definitely sucks being laid off but doing such and then posting it online showing your face not very smart!
Oh I was looking for that bro that will claim ai is to blame and sure enough here it is. You people are obsessed and need to rest a bit.
It's a possibility
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#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is “firing” 50 people different from “laying off” 50 people?
Legally, they are supposed to treat mass firings differently than just individual firings. WARN act would require advanced notice for firing of 50 or more persons from a location. The location of travel/remote employees would be their nearest office.
WARN act only applies to layoffs, and doesn't apply at all to firings.
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#69This is why we need unions. Layoffs are unfortunately, sometimes, necessary. But when they happen, it's important that the right people are chosen, for the right reasons (whether that's performance based, voluntary, protecting certain groups, ensuring fairness, etc). That requires collective bargaining by representatives who are able to assess and change the criteria, and who are able to negotiate for better outcomes…
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I think what the OP probably really wants is something like Germany’s workers council which is given a chance to weigh in on layoff decisions like this to make sure they make sense
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#70It's illegal to record others without their consent! Thats the law. Definitely sucks being laid off but doing such and then posting it online showing your face not very smart!
With the US the law varies. A minority of states require both/all parties to consent (California, Delaware, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, and Washington) the others only need one party to consent.
There's no basis for believing that AI took her job beyond scaremongering