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Re: Cloudflare lays off new hires

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Post by gizmo385 »

declan_roberts wrote: post #52

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> The company wants to try and make more money and one way is eliminating your job. Why is that so personal?

God forbid we expect people to be treated with a bit of dignity and given the opportunity to actually say goodbye to their friends and colleagues.

Millennials grew up being told over and over “be loyal to a company and they’ll treat you well” and have largely began their careers in an era where it’s clear companies couldn’t care less about employee loyalty once it comes anywhere close to negatively impacting their bottom line.

Re: Cloudflare lays off new hires

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Post by whstl »

irjustin wrote: post #58

Possibly stupid question - why are so many companies laying off? According to Wallstreet, the majority of the recession scare isn't a scare. Inflation, while not fully at target, is getting better. Unemployment is at an all time low. So many companies are laying off like it's the worst times ahead. Obviously layoffs aren't taken lightly so there must be some internal signals that really push them to take these measur…

I'm also interested in the responses to your questions, but I would ask something else: are non-tech companies also doing layoffs? I'm not in the US so I'm not really up to date to that.

Re: Cloudflare lays off new hires

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Post by xpe »

whalesalad wrote: post #48
akira2501 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't ask to be born therefore I have no duties to you or to anyone other than myself. You accepted no duty to ensure my life was protected from harm or that it's circumstances were fair. You can talk sensibly about global reproductive control once you've ensured that everyone's life is fair and just. Humans are animals. We individually self regulate or we would die. We collectively don't which is why we were able…

Animals eat each other. They feed other animals. They spread seeds to propagate plant life. Their decomposing bodies fertilize the earth. There is an ecosystem that exists. Humans don’t have any predators. We’ve created a society where everyone feels entitled to exist. Animals don’t feel entitled to exist. They fight daily to survive. We fight daily to play the game that us humans created. It’s not real, it’s all fab…

> We (as a society) will keep running on this treadmill until we collapse from exhaustion and hubris.

This is false certainty. You don't know what will happen; you haven't even given a handful of possible future scenarios. Society could go on for some time with rising inequality with tragic consequences, sure. Or we could grow out of this phase in hundreds of different ways. Or we could obliterate ourselves in nuclear war. There are many possibilities. Don't fixate on one.

Will humanity (or some creation or derivative of ourselves) outlive our solar system? Now _that_ is a fun question to explore.

Re: Cloudflare lays off new hires

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Post by nekoeth0 »

neom wrote: post #53
KyleSanderson wrote: post #2

Plenty of these on LI today unfortunately. https://www.linkedin.com/posts/skoroleva_opentowork-techsale... https://twitter.com/BowTiedPassport/status/17451497589921956...

Yikes on that second link, I seriously hope she told them she was recording the call or she may run into some two-party consent issues.

38 states (and DC) require one-party consent, so, depends.

Re: Cloudflare lays off new hires

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Post by NicoJuicy »

This seems to be consistent to what was mentioned last year ( May 2023 ) on investor day.

https://softwarestackinvesting.com/cloudflare-net-q2-2023-ea... section: profitability

The idea, a year ago, was to replace underperformers in sales by average performers, this impacted ~ 100 people early 2023.

Fast forward today, this seems to impact those that were expecting to reach average sales, they probably were also underperforming ( just a educated guess).

I just hope the metric is fair, but I wouldn't expect otherwise from Cloudflare.

Edit: One of the videos posted here, said she didn't have a single sale and most of the new hires were done ~ 1 year ago...

Re: Cloudflare lays off new hires

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Post by whalesalad »

xpe wrote: post #56
whalesalad wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Animals eat each other. They feed other animals. They spread seeds to propagate plant life. Their decomposing bodies fertilize the earth. There is an ecosystem that exists. Humans don’t have any predators. We’ve created a society where everyone feels entitled to exist. Animals don’t feel entitled to exist. They fight daily to survive. We fight daily to play the game that us humans created. It’s not real, it’s all fab…

> Animals eat each other. They feed other animals. They spread seeds to propagate plant life. Their decomposing bodies fertilize the earth. There is an ecosystem that exists. Humans don’t have any predators. We’ve created a society where everyone feels entitled to exist. Animals don’t feel entitled to exist. They fight daily to survive. We fight daily to play the game that us humans created. It’s not real, it’s all f…

These things you mention are honestly more examples of fabricated concepts. Are you a religious person by chance?

Re: Cloudflare lays off new hires

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Post by shermantanktop »

Spivak wrote: post #7
sneed_chucker wrote: post #3

I wonder if the US will ever get first-world tier labor laws that prevent companies from screwing people over like this. Doesn't seem likely any time soon, but it's so insane how healthcare and everything is tied to an employer and in most places they can just fire you on a whim and not offer severance or anything.

I don't know why you're being downvoted. Strong labor protections and a generous social safety net with the goal of making it so that being fired isn't the end of the world would be a huge net positive for the labor market. Guilt free firing means you can allocate labor efficiently where it's actually needed specifically because you're not dealing with people's livelihoods. And right now our social safety net for sit…

Alternatively, the bosses can get rid of the guilt, by choosing to believe that unfettered capitalism of the most extreme kind is the natural and correct order of things. Converting costs into externalities (in this case, unemployed people) becomes the new religion.

The boss's morality doesn't enter it anymore; the market made them do it.

Re: Cloudflare lays off new hires

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Post by nixgeek »

neom wrote: post #53
KyleSanderson wrote: post #2

Plenty of these on LI today unfortunately. https://www.linkedin.com/posts/skoroleva_opentowork-techsale... https://twitter.com/BowTiedPassport/status/17451497589921956...

Yikes on that second link, I seriously hope she told them she was recording the call or she may run into some two-party consent issues.

She's in Virginia (according to LinkedIn), which is a one-party consent state.

Re: Cloudflare lays off new hires

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Post by forward1 »

sneed_chucker wrote: post #42
forward1 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Employees are equally free to "screw over" companies by terminating their employment at any time; at-will is a two-way street. That seems like a fair and faithful manifestation of a free market. Health care and insurance is also available without an employer, at least in the US.

> Employees are equally free to "screw over" companies by terminating their employment at any time; at-will is a two-way street. Wow. I guess that might seem like a convincing argument if you totally ignore the power imbalance between a terminated employee who loses the ability to pay for basic necessities vs a company that loses the labor of a single person.

The inability for an individual to guarantee payment for necessities cannot be the fault of any company. Each capable adult must be held accountable and responsible for themselves in this world.

Re: Cloudflare lays off new hires

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Post by squokko »

irjustin wrote: post #58

Possibly stupid question - why are so many companies laying off? According to Wallstreet, the majority of the recession scare isn't a scare. Inflation, while not fully at target, is getting better. Unemployment is at an all time low. So many companies are laying off like it's the worst times ahead. Obviously layoffs aren't taken lightly so there must be some internal signals that really push them to take these measur…

A lot of boards want to lay people off to increase profits, but they're afraid that if they do it, the company will seem like it's failing, causing high performing employees to leave and perhaps even customers to get worried.

But once there seems to be a moment where others are laying off, they can ostensibly claim to be doing a layoff because of broad economic conditions rather than because their company is mismanaged. This means that once a layoff wave gets going, it snowballs memetically.

Of course, if it becomes big enough, it can snowball due to non-memetic reasons (laid off employees have less money, spend less, and cause economic contraction). An example would be BigCo lays off 10,000 people, which ends their Slack subscriptions, which causes Slack to lose money, which causes Slack to lay off people, which reduces their employees' spending on yoga classes, which causes yoga studios to layoff, etc.

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