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2.7M Brits still use a 3G only handset

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Re: 2.7M Brits still use a 3G only handset

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The joys of mandatory obsolescence. Forcing handset churn is environmentally irresponsible. Maybe it is time for landlines to get SMS so people don't have to rely on mobile infrastructure? 5am sentiment but it'd be nice.

Landlines are being taken away by 2025.

Walkways in 2026, paper and pencils in 2027.

Re: 2.7M Brits still use a 3G only handset

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post #59

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I won’t say parking meters are critical!

They are to the companies or local administrations making money from them. City councils have some leverage on mobile operators by the means of national governments. In general, each industry or other organizations hit by changes will be vocal against those changes. Countries implement them when everybody is OK with them or when the organizations not OK with them are politically too weak to matter.

While all you say is very true, that does not make them critical. Critical stuff is what those people/org will buy with the money: clean water, food, antibiotics…

In a harsh environment (war, crisis, epidemic…) you can give up paying the parking but you still need to eat. This is critical.

Re: 2.7M Brits still use a 3G only handset

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post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I won’t say parking meters are critical!

They are to the companies or local administrations making money from them. City councils have some leverage on mobile operators by the means of national governments. In general, each industry or other organizations hit by changes will be vocal against those changes. Countries implement them when everybody is OK with them or when the organizations not OK with them are politically too weak to matter.

They've just removed parking meters in a lot of places near me. Parking apps or pay by phone only.

Re: 2.7M Brits still use a 3G only handset

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post #13

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Critical systems are using or will fallback to 2G, which will stay with us forever. The bandwidth is not required there anyway.

2G services were shut down in Australia back in 2016-2017.

I am still on 3G, the provider keeps calling me and asking me to switch to their new plan. I just keep telling them that their current plan I am on is the world's best and there is no way I would switch to anything else.

Re: 2.7M Brits still use a 3G only handset

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Relying on pools to get the data doesn’t seem very reliable. Phone carriers should have good numbers on how many users connect using 3G form base station logs. But may be they have no incentive to share because it could create pressure to delay 3G sunset.

Re: 2.7M Brits still use a 3G only handset

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Has 4G/5G improved? When I lived in the UK (Midlands until 2019) it was entirely unreliable. I'd wager 75% of my connection was on 3G as soon as I was more than 3Km from a town's high street. I can say with confidence that the shift from 4G/LTE to 5G where I live now in British Columbia (Canada) mountains is not fun. It's significantly less reliable. I understand that its 10x faster, but I'd much prefer reliable over…

Recently visited South Yorkshire for the first time in 4 years. I didn’t notice a big difference between 3 and 4G coverage, but it was shocking how much of the city area has complete coverage blackspots. Both for myself connected to EE and a friend connected to Vodafone.

South Yorkshire can be hilly which may account for black spots. Not a good excuse, but a challenge mobile providers don’t see often enough in the UK to sufficiently account for.

Re: 2.7M Brits still use a 3G only handset

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post #11

> Furthermore, the study also reveals 21% of those with a 3G handset aren’t willing to upgrade, and will simply continue to use their phone without internet connectivity. Seems reasonable. Is this supposed to be a bad thing?

Some devices are very hard or expensive to replace. EV: car infotainment systems.

Why these haven't been modular from the start is beyond belief anyway. It shouldn't cost more than 50€ for a new mobile data/phone uplink module, and yet, some manufacturers want the entire unit to be exchanged...

Re: 2.7M Brits still use a 3G only handset

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3G has been recently switched off in the most (or all by now?) part of Hungary. I have thought that the bands get reused for 4G, but no change so far. Probably the remaining 2G occupies the same bands or whatever. Or they have gone with 5G, while all the providers banish prepaid users from using 5G, so thanks for nothing. Anyway, the biggest downside is that where the 4G coverage sucks, I'm seeing the nightmarish EDG…

Ah, so this is what happened! I visit the villages next to the border near Bratislava often. I used to have no connectivity issues there, but now I get 2G first (which is almost unusable) and if I'm lucky I eventually connect to 4G.

Re: 2.7M Brits still use a 3G only handset

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post #21
post #10

The joys of mandatory obsolescence. Forcing handset churn is environmentally irresponsible. Maybe it is time for landlines to get SMS so people don't have to rely on mobile infrastructure? 5am sentiment but it'd be nice.

Many years ago, Sprint used to have a "text to landline" feature on their network. You could send an SMS from your phone and then their server would dial the landline and use a speech synthesizer to read out the text.

Actually I'm pretty sure that exists in the UK too, but nobody I know uses a landline any more. My parents have one, but they use their mobiles more often than not.

Re: 2.7M Brits still use a 3G only handset

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post #21
post #10

The joys of mandatory obsolescence. Forcing handset churn is environmentally irresponsible. Maybe it is time for landlines to get SMS so people don't have to rely on mobile infrastructure? 5am sentiment but it'd be nice.

Many years ago, Sprint used to have a "text to landline" feature on their network. You could send an SMS from your phone and then their server would dial the landline and use a speech synthesizer to read out the text.

From my experience in the UK most telecoms have the same system, although I've only ever used it by accident and each time it left the person on the other end confused.

At one point BT hired Tom Baker to use his voice on their TTS system. I'm sure more people would use it if they kept his voice: https://youtu.be/aFsOhJgCSpw

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