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Re: www.google.com – The page is blank when accessed

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Post by alpaca128 »

yunohn wrote: post #25
doublerabbit wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They probably did. However wanted to screw Firefox users the same way as the YouTube slowdown.

Google isn’t sitting around randomly breaking things for Firefox users in this obvious way. I really feel like HNers often forget how minuscule the scale of their usage patterns are.

Google doesn't need to intentionally break things, they just have to not test on anything but Chrome and say "oops" once a critical mass of complaints come in. Now you could say that they don't have to support the competitor, which is fair, but the web is based on standards, and in this case the site breaks based on the user agent and not the lack of some technical capability.

Re: www.google.com – The page is blank when accessed

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Post by oblio »

galangalalgol wrote: post #54
adlpz wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A bit hyperbolic, aren't we? Count me in for the destruction of the do-be-evil giant, but we're far from it not being absolutely dominant in the space. I didn't even know what Kagi was.

I think bingchat is more likely to be what eventually supplants google. They funded the ai that created the garbage autogen pages, now they can use more ai to solve it for you in exchange for the low low price of your attention. Tesla will likely supplant google maps any day now when they release an offering. People pay tesla to drive cameras with computer vision around. Google has plenty of altitude and time to corr…

> Tesla will likely supplant google maps any day now when they release an offering.

An offering of what?

Re: www.google.com – The page is blank when accessed

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Post by andirk »

fxtentacle wrote: post #52
adlpz wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A bit hyperbolic, aren't we? Count me in for the destruction of the do-be-evil giant, but we're far from it not being absolutely dominant in the space. I didn't even know what Kagi was.

No, I actually use Kagi both on my Laptop and on my Firefox on Android. It has one killer feature: you can block Pinterest from spamming your results.

And w3schools!

Re: www.google.com – The page is blank when accessed

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Post by klabb3 »

PlutoIsAPlanet wrote: post #45
rendaw wrote: post #22

Is there any legitimate use for UA string sniffing vs feature detection? And what could a search engine possibly do that's so bleeding edge it doesn't work in all browsers?

Google provides a more basic webpage for older browsers.

Introducing ‘about: blank’ by Google. A new way to experience the web.

Re: www.google.com – The page is blank when accessed

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Post by oblio »

Fatnino wrote: post #42
boomboomsubban wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google is currently facing an antitrust suit where their payment to Firefox is a crucial part of the evidence against them. And it's over their search engine, which is far more important to them than Chrome. They pay Firefox as they're buying a valuable product. Which is why they also pay Safari.

Are you certain that search is more important than chrome? Sure search was their first product, but they have long since pivoted to being an ad company. And while yes, they can show ads along side search, the real cash cow is all the juicy data they can exclusively hoover up through Chrome to better target ads all across the web not just search.

Chrome is okish for collecting data. But they have Android which probably provides 100x the data.

Re: www.google.com – The page is blank when accessed

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Post by 1oooqooq »

rendaw wrote: post #22

Is there any legitimate use for UA string sniffing vs feature detection? And what could a search engine possibly do that's so bleeding edge it doesn't work in all browsers?

No. But you might be misguided if you are incompetent to do it right, with incremental enhancement based on available features/resources.

But then you will also be incompetent to do it right with UA sniffing, which is even harder and require more maintenance to keep the list up-to-date.

That's the obtuse thought process on how you get the garbage google just showed us.

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Post by latexr »

pmontra wrote: post #4

9 minutes ago: > Since this has now been posted to HN, I'll be locking this thread. This bugtracker is a work place, not a discussion forum. We have a bad fame.

Locking the issue after it has been posted to any large community is the right call.

The respectful users will look at the thread and not comment to not derail the discussion. The fraction of a percent which may have something relevant to contribute probably already did or will find another way to do so if it’s important.

The remaining users will post low quality comments for a while then leave forever. Like a flash mob that invades your home, parties for a few hours, then leaves a mess for the regulars to clean up.

Can’t blame the owner for preemptively locking the door.

Re: www.google.com – The page is blank when accessed

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Post by 1oooqooq »

Fatnino wrote: post #44

Firefox should just change its ua to not-chromium. We will all know what it means.

you joke, but microsoft using "mozilla" on IE useragent is why to this day every single browser have "Mozilla/5.0" there.

At the time netscape and microsoft were giving out free browsers while fighting for control of the profitable httpd server market, and blocking competitor browsers "for security" or something else was the play book of the day.

Re: www.google.com – The page is blank when accessed

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Post by AH4oFVbPT4f8 »

fxtentacle wrote: post #52
adlpz wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A bit hyperbolic, aren't we? Count me in for the destruction of the do-be-evil giant, but we're far from it not being absolutely dominant in the space. I didn't even know what Kagi was.

No, I actually use Kagi both on my Laptop and on my Firefox on Android. It has one killer feature: you can block Pinterest from spamming your results.

Blocking domains is big part of why I use Kagi, I wish they should share their top blocked domains or make it that people can share their blocked domains to help others. They have this https://kagi.com/stats, but I'd like something I can import into my own settings to use.
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