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Re: Tuna species popular in sashimi and poke bowls in sharp decline

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rayiner wrote: post #11
lgkk wrote: post #4

As someone who eats almost exclusively vegan I think it would be great as the whole world faces these issues, we see lots of switches to eating tofu or plant based foods. Way cheaper. Can’t get so fat and unhealthy. And far healthier since most vegans and vegetarians live long and healthy lives compared to other groups. Poke tastes great with tofu btw. We shouldn’t destroy the oceans. Anyway I’m bracing for the inevi…

Pescatarian diets are as healthy or more healthy than vegetarian or vegan ones, and much easier to adhere to in terms of getting the required proteins and amino acids.

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Re: Tuna species popular in sashimi and poke bowls in sharp decline

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Post by imw »

verisimi wrote: post #31
s_dev wrote: post #23

I'd be in favour of removing meat subsidies. If the 'true' price of steak or a burger was ten times higher people would eat it for special occasions and not every day with every meal. It's telling and hypocritical how many meat eating 'libertarians' are in favour of government handouts to preserve their food eating habits rather than letting the market do it's work. I'm a meat eater but I'll concede that those subsid…

Can you give an example of a 'meat subsidy'? I'm unaware of any.

Not GP, but US livestock subsidies total $50B since 1995: https://www.ewg.org/news-insights/news/2022/02/usda-livestoc...

I found this a useful primer on the form that those subsidies take: https://farm.ewg.org/subsidyprimer.php

(edited to clarify US scope)

Re: Tuna species popular in sashimi and poke bowls in sharp decline

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Post by tastyfreeze »

tw04 wrote: post #37
tastyfreeze wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fish management doesn't really require global cooperation. It does require some sacrifice. Where I live 100 years ago herring spawn covered nearly every shoreline. I live in an archipelago so there is a lot of coastline. Now there are sporadic patches of herring spawn. The herring fishery is a multi million dollar industry. Herring is also the base of the larger fin-fish population. We can't harvest all the food for…

>That is something that can be done at a local level without global cooperation. You're assuming some foreign operator won't come to your local waters to illegally fish. China has shown they will fish literally anywhere they can get away with it. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/09/26/world/asia/ch...

That is what a military is for...

Re: Tuna species popular in sashimi and poke bowls in sharp decline

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Post by s_dev »

stickfigure wrote: post #36
s_dev wrote: post #23

I'd be in favour of removing meat subsidies. If the 'true' price of steak or a burger was ten times higher people would eat it for special occasions and not every day with every meal. It's telling and hypocritical how many meat eating 'libertarians' are in favour of government handouts to preserve their food eating habits rather than letting the market do it's work. I'm a meat eater but I'll concede that those subsid…

What on earth does beef have to do with this? If anything, people eating more beef might consume less fish. Cattle populations are not collapsing.

>What on earth does beef have to do with this?

The topic here is eating habits that damage the environment.

Re: Tuna species popular in sashimi and poke bowls in sharp decline

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Post by forward1 »

justrealist wrote: post #3

Tuna (horrific overfishing) and octopus (intelligence) are the two animals I won't eat.

The speciesism in this comment is profound, as if you have some empirical evidence an octupus is more intelligent than, say, a pig; or whether a creature's lack of ability to reason (versus feel pain and suffer) gives way to treat it cruelly.

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Post by pixelbyindex »

lgkk wrote: post #4

As someone who eats almost exclusively vegan I think it would be great as the whole world faces these issues, we see lots of switches to eating tofu or plant based foods. Way cheaper. Can’t get so fat and unhealthy. And far healthier since most vegans and vegetarians live long and healthy lives compared to other groups. Poke tastes great with tofu btw. We shouldn’t destroy the oceans. Anyway I’m bracing for the inevi…

With regards to the point about health, I disagree. The culprit is not meat vs veggies, as processed foods and the ilk of hydrogenated fats and fructose based syrups and added sugars are by far the indicators of poor health. We see this in countless recent studies today. Some prior links such as meat = cancer are not seen as correct now.

Good health is achieved by regular physical exercise, and clear choices of unprocessed raw foods without added sugars. Being vegan can get you there, certainly, provided you don't indulge daily in pastries and deep fried seed oils.

But the reason I bother to reply is to point out that the same goes for high protein keto based diets, and even the carnivore diet, which has a growing body of support. We should all be striving to keep healthy bodies and healthy minds. There is plenty of information out there for all of us to live long and healthy lives.

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Post by alecthomas »

anovikov wrote: post #35
0xbadcafebee wrote: post #13

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_pigeon Passenger pigeons were hunted by Native Americans, but hunting intensified after the arrival of Europeans, particularly in the 19th century. Pigeon meat was commercialized as cheap food, resulting in hunting on a massive scale for many decades. There were several other factors contributing to the decline and subsequent extinction of the species, including shrinking of th…

That's not how fishing works. After some threshold growing fish in aquaculture becomes cheaper than fishing, and things get back in balance. Otherwise, salmon would've been extinct by now. Tuna and herring are not grown en masse in aquaculture... yet. That will change.

Sadly that is how fishing works. Wild Salmon is endangered in many locations including the US [1] and UK [2], for example.

It does also occur that popluations become so low that they can't recover. Atlantic Northwest Cod are the most obvious example, still not having recovered from overfishing in the latter half of last century [3].

[1] https://time.com/6199237/is-farmed-salmon-healthy-sustainabl... [2] https://wildfish.org/latest-news/main-uk-populations-of-atla... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_Atlantic_north...

Re: Tuna species popular in sashimi and poke bowls in sharp decline

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Post by metal_am »

namtab00 wrote: post #55
anovikov wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not how fishing works. After some threshold growing fish in aquaculture becomes cheaper than fishing, and things get back in balance. Otherwise, salmon would've been extinct by now. Tuna and herring are not grown en masse in aquaculture... yet. That will change.

I've always heard predatory species like tuna cannot be farmed, but my knowledge may be outdated

Tuna can’t pump water over their gills. They can never stop swimming

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

s_dev wrote: post #23

I'd be in favour of removing meat subsidies. If the 'true' price of steak or a burger was ten times higher people would eat it for special occasions and not every day with every meal. It's telling and hypocritical how many meat eating 'libertarians' are in favour of government handouts to preserve their food eating habits rather than letting the market do it's work. I'm a meat eater but I'll concede that those subsid…

Meat subsidies? There are programs to support smaller suppliers, increase competition. Not directly make beef cheaper.

It's something like a billion a year? Sounds like a lot; your part was $2.50 in taxes. Not very significant in a trillion-dollar budget.

Removing these programs would probably have the opposite effect: letting competition languish would leave one or two large players, who could set the prices anywhere they liked. Probably not lower.

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Post by soperj »

tw04 wrote: post #37
tastyfreeze wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fish management doesn't really require global cooperation. It does require some sacrifice. Where I live 100 years ago herring spawn covered nearly every shoreline. I live in an archipelago so there is a lot of coastline. Now there are sporadic patches of herring spawn. The herring fishery is a multi million dollar industry. Herring is also the base of the larger fin-fish population. We can't harvest all the food for…

>That is something that can be done at a local level without global cooperation. You're assuming some foreign operator won't come to your local waters to illegally fish. China has shown they will fish literally anywhere they can get away with it. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/09/26/world/asia/ch...

So has Japan.
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