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Apple Rejects the Hey Calendar from Their App Store

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Re: Apple Rejects the Hey Calendar from Their App Store

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Post by peyton »

ksec wrote: post #45
rgovostes wrote: post #3

"If you run to the press and trash us, it never helps." — App Store Review Guidelines, 2010 ( https://www.cultofmac.com/58590/heres-the-full-text-of-apple... ) (It often helps.)

>"If you run to the press and trash us, it never helps." The context is that Steve was still involve with Apple's decision. It is similar to a lot of things at Apple. They were there for a reason but it seems a lot of the context were gone once Steve was not there.

Now that’s a dude who’d been around the block a few times. It’s just not worth it to do business with people who treat you like garbage. No matter how big you are or how small they are.

Re: Apple Rejects the Hey Calendar from Their App Store

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Post by kristiandupont »

mediumsmart wrote: post #60
meibo wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my opinion, all of this falls apart once you consider that Apple has sabotaged the mobile web as an application platform basically since the inception of the iPhone. You actually just don't have a choice if you want to reach that audience, in a lot of cases. Heck, we only now just got Web Push which sort of kinda works sometimes on mobile Safari at the moment. I also disagree that every organization in a capitalis…

Apple has sabotaged the mobile web as an application platform basically since the inception of the iPhone. There was a mobile web before the iPhone?

That's fair but it doesn't refute GP's point.

Things have improved vastly with the introduction of web push but Apple is still dragging their feet on making it possible to create a good mobile experience with web-only apps.

Now, I generally don't like conspiracy theories and I seek not to attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity (or even a lack of attention, etc.) However, in this particular case it seems very obvious to me that Apple is doing it in order to force developers to build native apps.

Re: Apple Rejects the Hey Calendar from Their App Store

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Post by angulardragon03 »

ricardobeat wrote: post #47
lawgimenez wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple rejected our stand-alone free companion app “because it doesn’t do anything”. It says on DHH’s blog. We can’t know for sure unless he shares a screenshot of it but more or less that is the reason because I was rejected with this same reason before.

Providing credentials for a test account is mandatory, and as a company publishing multiple apps it’s not something they would miss.

It feels to me that, if you were going to make the complaint that DHH has, you would also explicitly mention that you had given them test account credentials. The actual reasonable complaint would be to say "we gave them test account credentials and they _still_ said our app was non-functional". But, that isn't the messaging here, it's not even mentioned. Given that DHH has very public opinions about Apple, I find it hard to believe he would miss the opportunity to make such a slam dunk, unless it wasn't true to make that claim.

Re: Apple Rejects the Hey Calendar from Their App Store

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Post by ricardobeat »

angulardragon03 wrote: post #63
ricardobeat wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Providing credentials for a test account is mandatory, and as a company publishing multiple apps it’s not something they would miss.

It feels to me that, if you were going to make the complaint that DHH has, you would also explicitly mention that you had given them test account credentials. The actual reasonable complaint would be to say "we gave them test account credentials and they _still_ said our app was non-functional". But, that isn't the messaging here, it's not even mentioned. Given that DHH has very public opinions about Apple, I find it…

So you think they intentionally not provided credentials, ruining their own release plans, yet somehow Apple took 19 days to realize and reply? The internet is funny…

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Post by rakoo »

hightrix wrote: post #30
rakoo wrote: post #29

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Or Maybe you don't have all the information because it is not entirely spelled out in the blog post, they have all the engineers they need because they have experience, they already did everything you said but Apple keeps being Apple, and your advice is not needed ?

They missed their launch date due to Apple Review. That does not scream "they have the experience they need". While they may not listen, they absolutely need to hear the advice to submit earlier.

No, indeed, it sounds more like "the Apple Review is random and unpredictable", which no one can account for.

Re: Apple Rejects the Hey Calendar from Their App Store

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Post by lawgimenez »

ricardobeat wrote: post #64
angulardragon03 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It feels to me that, if you were going to make the complaint that DHH has, you would also explicitly mention that you had given them test account credentials. The actual reasonable complaint would be to say "we gave them test account credentials and they _still_ said our app was non-functional". But, that isn't the messaging here, it's not even mentioned. Given that DHH has very public opinions about Apple, I find it…

So you think they intentionally not provided credentials, ruining their own release plans, yet somehow Apple took 19 days to realize and reply? The internet is funny…

Some Apple reviewers will take into account existing data too. Not just being able to sign in. So the provided credentials should have enough data.

Re: Apple Rejects the Hey Calendar from Their App Store

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Post by wutwutwat »

TheLoafOfBread wrote: post #57
wutwutwat wrote: post #54

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While I see what you’re trying to say here, the App Store is not extortion. You don’t have to build an app for their platform. If you do, you do so knowing beforehand that the app requires approval to be listed on their App Store, and that such approval is not guaranteed or owed just because you think it is. You’re also free to distribute the app privately the way many enterprises do, and how services like TestFlight…

How do I use PWA with BLE on iOS? I can't unless I will use App Store and native application. So I have no choice but to use App Store.

You have a choice, don’t make an iPhone app if you don’t want to deal with the App Store.

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Post by paulddraper »

wutwutwat wrote: post #54
meibo wrote: post #13

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> That statement seems like it would legally be extortion. Like their entire App Store business?

While I see what you’re trying to say here, the App Store is not extortion. You don’t have to build an app for their platform. If you do, you do so knowing beforehand that the app requires approval to be listed on their App Store, and that such approval is not guaranteed or owed just because you think it is. You’re also free to distribute the app privately the way many enterprises do, and how services like TestFlight…

Extortion offers a choice as well.

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Post by e28eta »

ipqk wrote: post #9
e28eta wrote: post #4

I think this is a fair summary for those of us that haven’t been paying attention to Hey, although if someone has a better roundup I’d love to read it https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/22/21298552/apple-hey-email-...

This is from 3+ years ago.

It is, but this post references a previous saga that I was unaware of. And after reading that link, I felt better equipped to understand what was happening in this post.

That’s also why I asked if there was a better summary available, preferably from a 3rd party.

Re: Apple Rejects the Hey Calendar from Their App Store

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Post by wutwutwat »

paulddraper wrote: post #68
wutwutwat wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I see what you’re trying to say here, the App Store is not extortion. You don’t have to build an app for their platform. If you do, you do so knowing beforehand that the app requires approval to be listed on their App Store, and that such approval is not guaranteed or owed just because you think it is. You’re also free to distribute the app privately the way many enterprises do, and how services like TestFlight…

Extortion offers a choice as well.

Extortion usually demands something under the threat of something bad happening that you do not want, and the action is taken against you by someone else.

You have a choice to write and iOS app and publish to the App Store or not. If you choose not to, what bad action is Apple purposely and actively taking against you in retaliation to you not giving in to their demands? Oh wait, they didn’t demand anything from you or threaten anything bad should you not meet those demands. They didn’t approach you with a demand. They didn’t approach you at all. They don’t care about you or anything you have going on.

How is Apple extorting you here? I would like to understand what state of psychosis I must obviously be in for this to be reality

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