This connects closely with and supports Dr. Chris Palmer’s brain energy theory.
Could someone explain why this is getting downvoted?
Researchers discover physical cause of long Covid tiredness
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Re: Researchers discover physical cause of long Covid tiredness
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
What is the fitness level of people suffering from the more extreme cases of "long covid"? As in, are they overweight and unhealthy in other ways? Because if that is the case the issue isn't the virus, it's the general health of that population in the first place. That's my gripe about this discussion, because I can never tell, since all I get is anecdotes, if this is a result that's agnostic to body type/fitness. Do…
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-44432-3
Thanks, but this doesn't really address my question. It looks like they took 25 people, and measured some variables before and after exercise post recovery (why such a small sample size? looks like a really easy test to run). I'm not really talking about how covid affects ones ability to exercise. I'm talking about the likelihood of "long covid" appearing in people who are fit and healthy vs not.
Re: Researchers discover physical cause of long Covid tiredness
#63> we saw that the mitochondria of the muscle, also known as the energy factories of the cell *Ahem*, powerhouse of the cell Jokes aside, this is a terrifying stat: "Although the majority of people infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus recover within weeks...around one in eight will get long-COVID. Symptoms in patients with long-COVID...include severe cognitive problems (brain fog), fatigue, exercise intolerance, autonom…
Got exposed to a lot of chemical gas in a home that had a gas leak. Developed all the above symptoms and more.
Later diagnosed with an autoimmune disorder. Sjogrens. Best I can figure, I had Sjogrens before, but it was so mild. I didn’t really notice or care. After the exposure, all the symptoms were amped up 50 fold. Also had Factor V Leiden. Which went from not an issue to multiple clots every single week.
After about four years, the symptoms dad calmed down to certain degree. Getting Covid was a full relapse for about six months.
Of course my wife got the vaccine and her arm swelled up and years later still hasn’t gone back down.
Re: Researchers discover physical cause of long Covid tiredness
#64I don't think "tiredness" is a good word for the title. The type of symptoms experienced as post-exertional malaise is not really the same being sleepy.
Re: Researchers discover physical cause of long Covid tiredness
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is nothing to be “terrified” about. You are conflating different types of “long covid”. Some covid infections, just like the cold or the flu, cause symptoms longer than the 5-7 days, maybe for 2-3 weeks. That’s long covid. Also remember that long covid symptoms include symptoms like depression and it ends up not being very rigorously defined. Then there is the version that creates long term chronic fatigue symp…
What is the fitness level of people suffering from the more extreme cases of "long covid"? As in, are they overweight and unhealthy in other ways? Because if that is the case the issue isn't the virus, it's the general health of that population in the first place. That's my gripe about this discussion, because I can never tell, since all I get is anecdotes, if this is a result that's agnostic to body type/fitness. Do…
I had chiseled abs. Trained Jiu-Jitsu 2 times per day 5 days per week as well as lifted weights, etc. My diet consisted heavily of fruits, veggies and lean meats. Nothing artificial. Only water, coffee, and an occasional pre-workout.
I lost my sense of smell and taste for ~6 months. Was in bed for 1 week, sleeping like 18 hours per day. Some foods still don't taste the same (mostly eggs and chicken).
This was about 2 days after I got the second dose of Moderna's vaccine.
Re: Researchers discover physical cause of long Covid tiredness
#66An interesting fact: this research was paid for by crowd funding because the Ministry of Health refused to fund it. The Netherlands is also unique in Europe as the only country which does not even try to treat this condition. If you get ME/CFS you are, quite literally, left to die here. Unless someone in your network looks after you.
A friend is going through the ME/CFS "journey" in Canada right now. Apparently, to get disability for CFS, one needs to first apply for disability, which will be rejected. Then, one needs to be able to afford a lawyer to sue the government, which ultimately gets CFS recognized on a case-by-case basis to be debilitating. There are apparently a couple of clinics who specialize in CFS, but they're nearly impossible to access.
Re: Researchers discover physical cause of long Covid tiredness
#67Cool. I wonder if they’ll ever discover the reason behind the loss of smell. I lost mine completely for about a year, and I still can’t smell most things. Luckily one of the smells I got back was shit, I say lucky because it’s handy when you have diaper wearing children. In general what I’ve gotten back has been “nasty” smells, I can also smell things like vomit or rotten food. But “good” smells are still completely…
Have you tried smell training (basically you sniff 3-4 different types of essential oils daily). My girlfriend lost her smell due to covid for a year or so, and got it back about a month after starting smell training
Interesting. It is like "rehab" for smelling.
Re: Researchers discover physical cause of long Covid tiredness
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is nothing to be “terrified” about. You are conflating different types of “long covid”. Some covid infections, just like the cold or the flu, cause symptoms longer than the 5-7 days, maybe for 2-3 weeks. That’s long covid. Also remember that long covid symptoms include symptoms like depression and it ends up not being very rigorously defined. Then there is the version that creates long term chronic fatigue symp…
What is the fitness level of people suffering from the more extreme cases of "long covid"? As in, are they overweight and unhealthy in other ways? Because if that is the case the issue isn't the virus, it's the general health of that population in the first place. That's my gripe about this discussion, because I can never tell, since all I get is anecdotes, if this is a result that's agnostic to body type/fitness. Do…
Just anecdotal, but there are many fit, marathon runners that have suffered from this, myself included. I had LC for five agonizing months. I think it was because I tried running through some of the mild symptoms that caused me to get this. I don't think I lost my overall fitness, but rather my muscles/cells, etc. lost its ability process oxygen properly. Once I got "better", my ability to run fast returned quickly, like within one or two months.
Re: Researchers discover physical cause of long Covid tiredness
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're right, and I wish we had terms to differentiate them. It's ridiculous that "chronic fatigue and brain fog for the rest of your life" and "flu-like symptoms for 3 weeks and then back to normal" are both discussed under the term "long covid".
We could use C data types as inspiration: long covid, and longlong covid.
volatile long long covid?
Re: Researchers discover physical cause of long Covid tiredness
#70> we saw that the mitochondria of the muscle, also known as the energy factories of the cell *Ahem*, powerhouse of the cell Jokes aside, this is a terrifying stat: "Although the majority of people infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus recover within weeks...around one in eight will get long-COVID. Symptoms in patients with long-COVID...include severe cognitive problems (brain fog), fatigue, exercise intolerance, autonom…
There is nothing to be “terrified” about. You are conflating different types of “long covid”. Some covid infections, just like the cold or the flu, cause symptoms longer than the 5-7 days, maybe for 2-3 weeks. That’s long covid. Also remember that long covid symptoms include symptoms like depression and it ends up not being very rigorously defined. Then there is the version that creates long term chronic fatigue symp…
how do you know the arthritis came from the vaccine?
Base rates and coincidences explain many things better than "vaccine caused my "