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Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Everything coming out of them recently, including the mailshots I see and even the onboarding copy, seems to indicate they see themselves as a political advocacy org first and a browser developer second.

>they see themselves as a political advocacy org first and a browser developer second.

That would be an improvement. Being a browser developer does not factor in anything they focus on.

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Importantly, that was also the reason that Brendan Eich used Chromium as a base for Brave, rather than Firefox. Had that even not occurred, we might be in a position where more than one organization had a business interest is Firefox, which would be a complete game changer.

> Importantly, that was also the reason that Brendan Eich used Chromium as a base for Brave

This is factually incorrect, the worst kind of incorrect. Brave Browser was initially built on Graphene, which uses Gecko. They then switched to Electron because Graphene was too raw, and from there to Chromium. Also, Brave contributes basically nothing to Chromium, so why would you think they would contribute anything to Gecko?

https://brave.com/the-road-to-brave-one-dot-zero/

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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(×_×) We need a modular, open source browser engine desperately; one not beholden to Google or any other for profit entity. The Servo people are trying, but the task is enormous. I don't know what can be done (。•́︿•̀。)

The SerenityOS/Ladybird project has been making very steady progress towards that goal

https://ladybird.dev/

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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As long time Mozzilla user since the Navigator days, it is sad to see Firefox going down, while the CEO gets money for nothing.

When Firefox is no more, the legacy will be Thunderbird and Rust, not the Web browser, and despite how they won over PNaCL, it is Chrome that drives WebAssembly.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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This Mozilla "situation" comes up here from time to time, unfortunately as a long time Firefox user all I have to say is: Mitchell Baker and their clique will only leave when Mozilla is completely dead and even by that time she'll retire and will make a wonderful post about her "legacy" in opensource and the Web. I will not go further because it will turn into an all-bashing post, but Mozilla ( as you like to think o…

Agree. I’ve git submoduled Firefox and other projects and have local AI help edit and build them.

Have made zero changes to FF itself, but overall have found local AI a huge help in managing it all.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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"The focus for the future of Mozilla -- according to Mozilla -- is primarily based around Artificial Intelligence services." I sense a great disturbance in the Force...

I saw the same line and LOLed so hard.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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In a previous thread (these "Mozilla is dead" threads appear perennially) someone pointed out that Firefox's apparent marketshare drop is potentially indistinguishable from their deployment of privacy-improving features, including stubbing out Google Analytics when "Enhanced Tracking Protection" is enabled.

I'm a Firefox user, so I have a vested interest in Mozilla's long term health and financial viability. But "marketshare nosedives" appears to be primarily an editorialization to fit the post's larger narrative.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Mitchell Baker needs to go. I hold her responsible for much of Firefox's slide in use over the years. She keeps pulling in a larger and larger salary for doing less and less.

According to the article,"Transitioning Mozilla away from Firefox." is the current organisation goal. She have done her job great. why was it a goal, I have bo idea

>why was it a goal, I have bo idea

Because an ongoing antitrust suit against Google search could mean the revenue they get from Firefox is no longer an option.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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According to the article,"Transitioning Mozilla away from Firefox." is the current organisation goal. She have done her job great. why was it a goal, I have bo idea

They likely view the idea off competing with Chrome - a key chess piece of the company keeping Mozilla around merely as a pet to ward of regulators - as impossible if not counterproductive to their mid-term survival at this point. Which is to say, at some point they might become annoying enough for Google to not want to pay them anymore, and then Mozilla would cease to exist shortly thereafter. So with that in mind,…

The only reason Google funds them is so they can use Firefox to counter antitrust accusations.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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While I don't feel as if I have enough knowledge to make a comment specifically about how the Mozilla Foundation is run, I do feel as if Firefox's uncertain future resulting from poor adoption is something that should be given priority given that the web browser market is roughly Firefox vs everything else.

I use both Ungoogled Chromium and Firefox on my main workstation, which runs Fedora Asahi Linux exclusively on Apple Silicon (I never boot into macOS), and should add that on aarch64, my overall experience with every Firefox build has been stellar. Unfortunately, I can't say the same about Ungoogled Chromium.

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