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Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by Avamander »

justsomehnguy wrote: post #40
V__ wrote: post #22

Is this mira of a U.S. centric problem? I selfhost my mail in Germany, have one at a smaller mail provider and never had problems. It is also not uncommon for companies to either have a local Exchange Server or use the mail service at their hosting provider. If everything is configured correctly, delivery works fine.

Personal anecdote != universal, global experience. > have one at a smaller mail provider a) [hosted] Mail provider b) Server (colo/dedicated/VPS/whatever) provider Choose one. > not uncommon for companies to either have a local Exchange Server Yes and it's PITA to pull it out of the lists of some shitheads, like SpamHaus. Source: guess it

SpamHaus always has really good reasons for doing what they're doing. How'd you piss them off?

There are actually horrid lists like BackScatterer and UCEProtect that you can't even properly contact. So in comparison SH is super pleasant.

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by ajdude »

mulmen wrote: post #55
freetanga wrote: post #39

I think that governments should offer one free email account per citizen for life. Which you could use or not, but is there for you as a digital inbox… which are the options? - Self hosting is a bit elitist - not for the masses. - A paid-for option (proton, tutta,…) would be cataloged as elitist. People perceive email as free. - A free option provided by a Corporate player will gravitate towards monopolies and lack o…

The United States already has that. It’s called the United States Postal Service.

I tried searching around to see if USPS offered hosting an email address in the same way I can have mail delivered to a physical address and I was unable to find it.

Can you provide a link?

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

freetanga wrote: post #39

I think that governments should offer one free email account per citizen for life. Which you could use or not, but is there for you as a digital inbox… which are the options? - Self hosting is a bit elitist - not for the masses. - A paid-for option (proton, tutta,…) would be cataloged as elitist. People perceive email as free. - A free option provided by a Corporate player will gravitate towards monopolies and lack o…

I really don't understand how people think government issues services have more privacy, when in reality it is the exact opposite. It didn't even take NSA leaks to know that government privacy violations are lot more both in terms of quantity and the impact. I would never use a government email if it is tied my real self.

At least in my country I know for a fact that data which should be legally private is used by political party plans and by the police.

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by nulbyte »

chrismorgan wrote: post #53
chris-orgmenta wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> - Self hosting is a bit elitist - not for the masses. Is it? Most people, including nomads & unhoused, seem to have smartphones these days (at risk of theft, but arguably easily replaceable). And 4/5G/PublicWifi connectivity in urban areas is so saturated. I wonder, is it reasonable for me to want government investment and legislation (but no other state interference) into some open source server project that we ca…

You can’t realistically host an email server on your phone, which is what is meant. For that to work, your phone would need to be able to be woken up (to handle receiving a message) by arbitrary parties on the internet at any time, which is generally considered undesirable, quite apart from the bother caused by your phone ever being offline (sender’s server will keep retrying every so often for a couple of days, send…

> You can’t realistically host an email server on your phone, which is what is meant. For that to work, your phone would need to be able to be woken up (to handle receiving a message)...

What you have described is normal behavior for a modern wireless device.

Temporary interruptions occur regularly, a reason for which store and forward designs feature in email servers to this day.

The problem to overcome is not temporary disruption but addressing.

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Post by Avamander »

Dalewyn wrote: post #13
uxp8u61q wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a user, I'm thankful I don't need to sift through hundreds of spam emails a day to find potential false positives. Because that's what you're advocating. You'd apparently like everyone to have a terrible email experience for the sake of your own personal comfort and preference (self hosting your emails). Besides, for something truly important, the people or organisations who need to reach me know how to do so othe…

This. Microsoft, Google, et al. aren't doing anything worthy of criticism here; it's the spammers who ruin email for the rest of us who should be facing the music.

Until it's not illegal it's only going to get worse.

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Post by Dunedan »

After many years of regularly getting blocked by Hotmail and outlook.com, I just decided to reject every incoming email from Hotmail and Outlook with an error message explaining the situation. If they don't allow me to respond to emails sent by their customers, why would I allow them to send me emails in the first place?

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

sheikheddy wrote: post #47

I work on Microsoft's anti-spam team, AMA!

What kind of tiers are there for filtering?

Eg. Known bad domains, known bad IP addresses, incorrectly setup DKIM / SPF, no reverse DNS, non-matching reverse DNS, and that's before even looking at content to determine whether spam.

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Post by Almondsetat »

freetanga wrote: post #39

I think that governments should offer one free email account per citizen for life. Which you could use or not, but is there for you as a digital inbox… which are the options? - Self hosting is a bit elitist - not for the masses. - A paid-for option (proton, tutta,…) would be cataloged as elitist. People perceive email as free. - A free option provided by a Corporate player will gravitate towards monopolies and lack o…

I agree. You shoukd have unlimited inbound and limited outbound emails between citizen accounts and a 10 email limit for outside addresses.

This way you can sign up to a third party email service and use your permanent and guaranteed government one as a recovery address

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Post by arccy »

nulbyte wrote: post #64
chrismorgan wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can’t realistically host an email server on your phone, which is what is meant. For that to work, your phone would need to be able to be woken up (to handle receiving a message) by arbitrary parties on the internet at any time, which is generally considered undesirable, quite apart from the bother caused by your phone ever being offline (sender’s server will keep retrying every so often for a couple of days, send…

> You can’t realistically host an email server on your phone, which is what is meant. For that to work, your phone would need to be able to be woken up (to handle receiving a message)... What you have described is normal behavior for a modern wireless device. Temporary interruptions occur regularly, a reason for which store and forward designs feature in email servers to this day. The problem to overcome is not tempo…

woken up to contact one of the big cloud notification services, which defeats the point of not using them

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

blcknight wrote: post #42
freetanga wrote: post #39

I think that governments should offer one free email account per citizen for life. Which you could use or not, but is there for you as a digital inbox… which are the options? - Self hosting is a bit elitist - not for the masses. - A paid-for option (proton, tutta,…) would be cataloged as elitist. People perceive email as free. - A free option provided by a Corporate player will gravitate towards monopolies and lack o…

This would probably work in a lot of European countries or places with high levels of government trust. I could see the German post office for example offering something like this and getting wide acceptance. You’ll have a lot of distrustful Americans commenting how terrible this idea is and the government can’t be trusted. They’d rather get it from a corporation and be subjected to unlimited surveillance capitalism…

"Think about the children" is pretty effective in Europe. They don't require to violate privacy when they could just make a law with popular support. They are pushing for all the messaging apps to provide unencrypted data to government.[1]

[1]: https://techcrunch.com/2016/08/24/encryption-under-fire-in-e...

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