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Re: GTA 5 source code leaks online

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Post by dj_mc_merlin »

nine_k wrote: post #33
vivzkestrel wrote: post #10

ubisoft deserves to get the source code for all their old games leaked. One by one they have shut the servers down (quite understandable because of server costs) but offered no ways or means whatsoever to play them alienating the old fans really hard. Some of us have memories of playing the older games which we can never relive again. It should be illegal for a game company to shut an online only game down without of…

Such games are often not peer to peer, like the games of old. Releasing a server in a form that's somehow operable by a third party is not always easy.

If there's enough people interested in the game, someone will figure out how to run a private server. People are so persistent it happens even without the source code. For many online games the source code is either stolen or dedicated people black box reverse engineer it just to run private servers. That's how runescape private servers operated back in the day, although I don't know if it was a clean room reverse engineer.. someone probably stole the code given Jagex.

Re: GTA 5 source code leaks online

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Post by k_roy »

PLenz wrote: post #45
addaon wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're missing the incentives. They /could/ change their name each operation, but then, as you note, the target would have reduced motivation to actually pay. By keeping their name, and keeping their word, customers are more likely to pay in the future, because there's a history of good faith transactions. And, of course, a group that is relying on their reputation like this must police their trademark and prevent ot…

"Good faith" is a difficult to grasp concept when concerning people who are holding your data for ransom

"good faith" == "continued future income".

There isn't any measure of morality or honor involved like you are suggesting.

Re: GTA 5 source code leaks online

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Post by google234123 »

Crosseye_Jack wrote: post #48
andersa wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand how anyone would ever pay. There is nothing guaranteeing you the hackers actually destroy their copy of the data on payment, so they could just come back and ask you for another payment every few months. Or are we really supposed to believe these criminals would follow some sort of made up honor code?

You are completely right, they are criminals there is nothing stopping them from just dumping the data anyway (or launching another attack later down the road). However the hackers also want to get paid, as soon as they go back on their word no one else will ever pay them. But there is another "maybe" to consider (OP did ask for a brief explanation so I didn't go into all possibilities), did they encrypt the data? If…

Or… they do the extortion thing and then change the name of their group and go again without the untrustworthy baggage

Re: GTA 5 source code leaks online

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Post by google234123 »

xvector wrote: post #34
andersa wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand how anyone would ever pay. There is nothing guaranteeing you the hackers actually destroy their copy of the data on payment, so they could just come back and ask you for another payment every few months. Or are we really supposed to believe these criminals would follow some sort of made up honor code?

Their business model wouldn't work if they did a double random. It's not an honor code but a common sense code.

Which is why it should be illegal to pay them off

Re: GTA 5 source code leaks online

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Post by magpi3 »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #15

For anyone that is curious, according to 4chan (i.e. take it with a mountain of salt): > Apparently there are 3 leaks in circulation: > 3.3 gigs, src only > 17 gigs, src + partial assets > 1 TB, src + full assets I really wish more games shared the source, even if it's under a restrictive license. It's just interesting to get a peak under the hood. It makes me wish that copyright lasted less time and that submitting…

3.3 gigs of just text source code? That is unfathomable to me.

EDIT: Okay, I guess if it also include revision control then that makes more sense. Still, that is huge.

Re: GTA 5 source code leaks online

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Post by ndriscoll »

klausa wrote: post #54
ndriscoll wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely server costs for something that's no longer being used much can't be very high? Running an idle ETLegacy server on my desktop uses a whopping 100 MB RAM and 0.02 CPU cores on my 6th gen i5 with the powersave governor on and all cores at 800 MHz. The more obvious motivation is just that they want you to buy their new thing and not have the old one anymore. If the matchmaking server isn't getting requests, you c…

The biggest cost here isn't the hardware, it's the people keeping the lights on.

I'm used to working in a context where you have to deal with audits and it makes sense to weigh that cost, but for video games, couldn't they throw it in EC2 or fargate in an account with nothing else and forget about it? It doesn't need to have access to anything important (it might not need access to anything at all if you're not persisting any player data). If the only open port is the game server, patch schedules can be somewhere between late and never.

Re: GTA 5 source code leaks online

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Post by setr »

google234123 wrote: post #63
Crosseye_Jack wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are completely right, they are criminals there is nothing stopping them from just dumping the data anyway (or launching another attack later down the road). However the hackers also want to get paid, as soon as they go back on their word no one else will ever pay them. But there is another "maybe" to consider (OP did ask for a brief explanation so I didn't go into all possibilities), did they encrypt the data? If…

Or… they do the extortion thing and then change the name of their group and go again without the untrustworthy baggage

With no reputation, you’re presumably less likely to have victims pay up. You want to build reputation so you can get consistent profit from these extortions.

Re: GTA 5 source code leaks online

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Post by subtra3t »

nine_k wrote: post #33
vivzkestrel wrote: post #10

ubisoft deserves to get the source code for all their old games leaked. One by one they have shut the servers down (quite understandable because of server costs) but offered no ways or means whatsoever to play them alienating the old fans really hard. Some of us have memories of playing the older games which we can never relive again. It should be illegal for a game company to shut an online only game down without of…

Such games are often not peer to peer, like the games of old. Releasing a server in a form that's somehow operable by a third party is not always easy.

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't most old school RTS games peer to peer?

EDIT: I misinterpreted the comment as saying that old games weren't P2P, sorry.

Re: GTA 5 source code leaks online

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Post by justapassenger »

ndriscoll wrote: post #50
vivzkestrel wrote: post #10

ubisoft deserves to get the source code for all their old games leaked. One by one they have shut the servers down (quite understandable because of server costs) but offered no ways or means whatsoever to play them alienating the old fans really hard. Some of us have memories of playing the older games which we can never relive again. It should be illegal for a game company to shut an online only game down without of…

Surely server costs for something that's no longer being used much can't be very high? Running an idle ETLegacy server on my desktop uses a whopping 100 MB RAM and 0.02 CPU cores on my 6th gen i5 with the powersave governor on and all cores at 800 MHz. The more obvious motivation is just that they want you to buy their new thing and not have the old one anymore. If the matchmaking server isn't getting requests, you c…

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