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In the long run, we're all Dad

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Re: In the long run, we're all Dad

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> Parents are supposed to teach their children the skills they need to navigate the world. This already feels somewhat obsolete - where are the Google programmers who were taught Python by their fathers, or the Instagram influencers who learned content creation on their mother’s knee? Soon it will be completely hopeless. Where we’re going there are no roads. This was a clear presentation of a thought that has bothere…

You don't have to teach them any of those things, you just have to live them. They're smart, they'll figure it out.

Re: In the long run, we're all Dad

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Sad to see "Jennifer" listed as a "newer name". Aside from that spelling being more than a century old, it's just a newer spelling of Guinevere, a name which dates back to at least 1100, when it started appearing in written Arthurian legends. The Welsh form, Gwenhwyfar, is attested before that.

> Sad to see "Jennifer" listed as a "newer name". See also "The Tale of Tiffany" from CGP Grey: * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LMr5XTgeyI

Don't forget the sidequest: https://youtu.be/qEV9qoup2mQ

Re: In the long run, we're all Dad

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

your fact is incontestable, but labeling this as 'sad' is.

Happy for your want to contest his claim of feeling sadness, but how do plan to do so? I expect you will come to realize it too is incontestable.

I'm happy you're happy. And happy to see Jennifer too. I'm just happy I guess. I'm happy I'm happy.

Re: In the long run, we're all Dad

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post #61
post #58

> Parents are supposed to teach their children the skills they need to navigate the world. This already feels somewhat obsolete - where are the Google programmers who were taught Python by their fathers, or the Instagram influencers who learned content creation on their mother’s knee? Soon it will be completely hopeless. Where we’re going there are no roads. This was a clear presentation of a thought that has bothere…

You don't have to teach them any of those things, you just have to live them. They're smart, they'll figure it out.

Looking at many of the adults around me, I'm not so sure. It seems to me that these are things that don't come naturally to most people.

Re: In the long run, we're all Dad

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Good writing advice says that each sentence has a single goal. The goal is to draw the reader in, and convince them to read the next sentence. This article does it masterfully. The title drew me in. The opening sentence finished the job. Well done.

I always feel like the goal of every Scott Alexander sentence is to show how he is smarter and/or more rational than other people.

Re: In the long run, we're all Dad

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Good writing advice says that each sentence has a single goal. The goal is to draw the reader in, and convince them to read the next sentence. This article does it masterfully. The title drew me in. The opening sentence finished the job. Well done.

I closed the tab at "cognitive engines." Overwrought balderdash masquerading as prose.

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Re: In the long run, we're all Dad

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I read of an inconsistent mindset. God this. God that. "Natural selection didn't design" which is contradictory. Evolved murder monkeys. Happy to have babies. Women are indeed saved by childbirth. Men too.

> Women are indeed saved by childbirth. Men too.

saved from what?

Re: In the long run, we're all Dad

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Is it rational for a rationalist to want to be a parent, knowing that having a kid rewrite your utility function? (so said parent would accept sacrificing their life for saving the life of their child)

It looks like the futurama brain slug parasites that someone explained me about last time I asked: https://futurama.fandom.com/wiki/Brain_Slug

It's even less rational for a woman, given the many damages it causes to the body (something he discusses in the article)

I often see having a kid "creates a joy that couldn't be experienced before", but the same thing could be said about drugs: you want to preserve your utility function from such deep influences, so you try to avoid getting addicted to drugs.

If one wouldn't rationally chose to get addicted, why chose getting a child?

The only reason I see is in the title: as a psychological protection about death (the pun on "in the long run, we're all dead")

In case the person finds no other meaning in life, a cheap way out is to create one by reinterpreting the path-dependent set of random events (I wouldn't be here if my parents didn't have a kid, etc, and neither would the human race), choosing to continue this chain and call that "meaning"

I'm not convinced. The whole article seems like an elaborate rationalization (especially the part of lack of sleep and lack of free time) to try to convince the author and the followers as noted in the meta:

> I think it’s a conspiracy. All the pronatalist influencers get together and say that pregnancy isn’t so bad. Young women believe them, and so the human race survives another generation

YES

Re: In the long run, we're all Dad

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post #6

Good writing advice says that each sentence has a single goal. The goal is to draw the reader in, and convince them to read the next sentence. This article does it masterfully. The title drew me in. The opening sentence finished the job. Well done.

Myself I closed the tab at the second sentence, so I can't attest to that.

Because the second sentence mentions the Bible? Or some other reason?

If it’s the former, I’m a Christian but I don’t just close out articles if they’re written by Richard Dawkins or quickly proclaim that they’re an atheist. There’s still a very real chance that they have some wisdom to share. Just because people share a different religious view than me doesn’t mean I can’t learn from them.

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