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Bird, once valued at $2.5B, just filed for bankruptcy

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Re: Bird, once valued at $2.5B, just filed for bankruptcy

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For Bird, they were sold on a SPAC at $154, so mission accomplished for the VCs. Retail is left holding the bag now.

J need to start shorting these IPOs on day one.

If you want to do such a random approach then do buy a bit off all because then you‘re upside goes toward infinite while downside is at most 100%. If you short, your downside goes toward infinite. Plus the market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.

Re: Bird, once valued at $2.5B, just filed for bankruptcy

#62

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For Bird, they were sold on a SPAC at $154, so mission accomplished for the VCs. Retail is left holding the bag now.

Someone should go to jail for that, but it is a highly regulated market, so it is ok.

SPACs (basically going public as a shell corp) are chosen specifically because it allows company insiders to cash out their equity without disclosing as much as regular IPO companies.

Re: Bird, once valued at $2.5B, just filed for bankruptcy

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Sounds like a pump and dump with extra steps. Hype up any obvious future failure to pump the stock to crazy valuations, then dump and leave the suckers holding the bags. All enabled by zero interest rates, and VCs were willing to fund some because they knew there's gonna be other suckers out there to enable them to raise the valuations.

The zero interest rates make getting loans cheap, but aren’t there angel investors who lose their investments recommended by VCs?

The angel investor has the same approach as VCs: if 1 out of 10 companies in the portfolio do well, that's enough.

VCs do however get a fee for assets under management, so they win even if their investors lose.

Re: Bird, once valued at $2.5B, just filed for bankruptcy

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post #62

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Someone should go to jail for that, but it is a highly regulated market, so it is ok.

SPACs (basically going public as a shell corp) are chosen specifically because it allows company insiders to cash out their equity without disclosing as much as regular IPO companies.

Yea, fully aware. I was working at a company last year that almost SPAC’d. Maybe you missed my sarcasm?

Re: Bird, once valued at $2.5B, just filed for bankruptcy

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Good riddance, they've made cities worse and more dangerous. Can't tell you how many times some idiot on a Bird scooter going down a sidewalk has almost hit me or my kids. I've also seen several wipeout when going over track tracks.

Bird going out of business will not hurt all the other scooter rental companies.

Personally I love electric scooters and use them frequently; they are a great amplifier for walking & transit.

Re: Bird, once valued at $2.5B, just filed for bankruptcy

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Honestly alongside everything else (people hated them and their chargers, they got stolen constantly, etc. etc. etc.) the scooters themselves have collapsed in price, you can pick one up at Best Buy now for like $500. And yeah that's a lot but most of the people who were interested in renting them were a little upmarket anyway, so once they became affordable(ish) why would you rent one when you could own one?

What I want to know is where I can (legally) pick up used Bird or Lime or Spin or Ofo or Skip scooters. Are they all going in the trash?

They'll be yeeted into the nearest ocean habitat for endangered species

Re: Bird, once valued at $2.5B, just filed for bankruptcy

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I used them a bit in Denver this fall. There were plenty of Lyft and Lime scooters around (I used the Lyft ones, because I already had the app installed). People were about 50/50 on riding them in the (pretty damn decent) bike lanes vs being sociopathic assholes brushing past pedestrians on the sidewalk.

What's worse: being hit on foot by a scooter, or being hit on scooter by a city bus?

Being hit by a city bus is unlikely--they're loud, they're in the traffic lanes (not the bike lanes), they move predictably. Being hit by shithead teenagers doing stupid burnout tricks on their rental scooters, on the sidewalks? Probably happens to somebody every day.

Re: Bird, once valued at $2.5B, just filed for bankruptcy

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How do you go bankrupt as a company renting powered scooters, which are possibly the cheapest possible mode of transportation just above a Craigslist bike? Incredible

Honestly alongside everything else (people hated them and their chargers, they got stolen constantly, etc. etc. etc.) the scooters themselves have collapsed in price, you can pick one up at Best Buy now for like $500. And yeah that's a lot but most of the people who were interested in renting them were a little upmarket anyway, so once they became affordable(ish) why would you rent one when you could own one?

The one you own serves a different purpose. The rental ones take one a bit of the way (from Subway station to office etc.) or one way (to the bar, get drunk, taxi/public transport home)

Doing that with your own one has downsides as you have to carry it along all the time.

Re: Bird, once valued at $2.5B, just filed for bankruptcy

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It is possible that potential customers just had fewer events and open places worth scooting to.

I would also wager that potential repeat customers eventually just bought their own scooter. It's not like they're particularly expensive. If you really enjoyed using one of these, why rent? (I know there are reasons, e.g. I wouldn't want one of those batteries in my house at all. But my point is simply that they can be inexpensive, especially compared to the price of renting.)

For me, the biggest advantages are having one around whenever I need it, even if I didn't plan for it, and being able to leave one out of the way anywhere and not have to worry about using it to get home (might prefer a walk), or it getting stolen. It would absolutely be cheaper to buy one of my own, likely several times over by now. I'm mostly paying for the convenience.

Re: Bird, once valued at $2.5B, just filed for bankruptcy

#70

Hah. The last time I saw Bird in the news was when they were throwing a tantrum and leaving SF because "strangling government regulations" were ruining their business. Someone in SF city government pointed out that all their competitors were making record profits and said Bird was run by spoiled rich kids with very bad business sense. Goodbye Bird. I lived in Austin when you rolled out your terrible service there and…

Which competitors in this business are making significant profits?
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