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Re: No star, No fix

#61

Post by actionfromafar »

skywal_l wrote: post #47
franciscop wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Bug reporting helps projects get better There's many cases where that's not true and indeed low-quality bug reports hurt the projects from getting better, specially for mid-to-high popular solo projects. Think about it in more familiar terms, are more job offers good for searching for a job? It might seems so, but only if you think about well-timed high quality offers. Suddenly getting spammed on your email, linked…

> There's many cases where that's not true and indeed low-quality bug reports hurt the projects from getting better, specially for mid-to-high popular solo projects. So it's ok to report low quality bugs as long as you give stars? I know that's not your argument, but this is what this thread is about.

Maybe not, but at least they got a star out of it.

Github sets up social network gamification incentives, wins social network gamification prizes…

Re: No star, No fix

#62

Post by MrDresden »

tetromino_ wrote: post #11
chupapimunyenyo wrote: post #10

I agree with this. If you use some software (and its author cares about internet points), you can at least give it that star. It's better than paying with money, and if you are requesting a feature it makes even more sense to pay with a single click of a mouse. Show some appreciation, people

It seems ludicrous to have to star a project for lacking a feature you need. What's next, starring projects for having glaring security problems?

I have starred plenty of projects that lack features that I would have liked or needed them to have.

They were still of use to me, and in cases did implement those features later on.

Re: No star, No fix

#63

Post by Brian_K_White »

nicklecompte wrote: post #4

Gaining a permanent reputation for petty authoritarianism, even with contributors who clearly want to help versus gaining one (1) point on GitHub Truly craven that this is coming from an automated bot. The extent to which social media likes have broken peoples' brains is something to behold.

Craven is definitely one of the words I'm groping for to express just what is wrong with this.

I really don't understand the "seems fair" comments.

I (stupidly I see now) treat the stars as feature just for me, like a bookmark in my own browser. There for my use, not anyone else's.

Obviously that was silly since they are public and anything that is public is someone somewhere's currency, and anything that is currency will expose the lowest of the low human behavior.

And this IS automated. The automation is in the form of a policy rather than a scripting language, but it's still a mechanistic rule where a star is produced by application of an if-this-then-that, and by a transaction, purchased exactly like with money. By at least those TWO different means this is not an honest reflection of a users regard or admiration or expression of value.

Github surely would see that as devaluing stars and harming a feature of their site. Surely github does not want stars to become like amazon reviews.

Re: No star, No fix

#64

Post by actionfromafar »

moron4hire wrote: post #56
chupapimunyenyo wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The person that asked for the feature clearly uses the project and this is usually the case. USERS of a project ask for features

The person in the linked GitHub repo is not asking the maintainers to develop the feature. They are asking if the maintainers would like the issue author to develop the feature. That's what is particularly disgusting to me about this star-begging-bot.

They are asking the maintainers to take the time to evaluate and possibly shepherd a patch into the mainline. It may or may not work out in the end. Everything has a cost, not the least, opportunity cost.

“Libre” is not “gratis” and all that.

Re: No star, No fix

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Post by Hamuko »

actionfromafar wrote: post #46
Narushia wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can make the profile private and it’ll hide the stars.

Can't hide the stars from Github itself though. Keeping as much preference data away from social networks as possible is not an unreasonable stance, IMHO.

You also can't hide the fact that you're browsed or even cloned the repository from GitHub, since it's on their servers.

Re: No star, No fix

#66

Post by eviks »

_8j50 wrote: post #57
eviks wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are trivial responses to your question, but you didn't address the issue I raised

I thought it was obvious. Not all projects get stars, the ones people use and like the most get more support in form of contribution which could be issues and pr's or other types of support. For people who don't care abour stars it means nothing, for those who do it means everything.

It's not obvious since it's false, you've just ignored the core point "if all projects simply demand more stars and get them" that pointed to the flaw in your logic. Also no, people are not binary state machines with either "means nothing" or "means everything" states

Re: No star, No fix

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Post by fredoliveira »

zokier wrote: post #39
8n4vidtmkvmk wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it artificially bloats the star count so that it no longer represents how many people are interested in the project.... Although if you've filed an issue you kind of are invested already

Maybe the intention is that people who are not interested in the project shouldn't be filing issues for it.

Well there's varying degrees of interest - it isn't binary.

There are certainly projects for which I've opened issues that I wouldn't star, because I use stars as a way to get project updates on my github feed.

Re: No star, No fix

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Post by MrDresden »

The reactionary way to respond to this seems to be to think this is somehow authoritarian, internet point gathering or just petty.

What some might not realize is the sheer volume of requests that maintainers of popular open source software projects have competing for their attention on a daily basis (I do not speak from experience but from reading/listening to reports from those that do).

Adding a bit of friction to any of those attention grabbing things, like here through the use of an bot, is a good way of reducing that noise at least somewhat. It isn't a perfect system, but it is the one this maintainer choose to use.

Re: No star, No fix

#69

Post by Ekaros »

8n4vidtmkvmk wrote: post #9
_8j50 wrote: post #7

Why the negative sentiment against this? It doesn't cost people anything to star a project. Whether it is a PR or not, the maintainer still had to review and maintain the code and that is time they will spend. The more stars a project gets, the more support it gets. It's not like you pay for stars or it is burdensome to click on the star button.

Because it artificially bloats the star count so that it no longer represents how many people are interested in the project.... Although if you've filed an issue you kind of are invested already

I disagree here.

It actually makes the star count represent the interest in project. After all no one would be making bug report if they didn't have a reason. Probably because they have problem or want to use project.

Re: No star, No fix

#70

Post by Brian_K_White »

8n4vidtmkvmk wrote: post #9
_8j50 wrote: post #7

Why the negative sentiment against this? It doesn't cost people anything to star a project. Whether it is a PR or not, the maintainer still had to review and maintain the code and that is time they will spend. The more stars a project gets, the more support it gets. It's not like you pay for stars or it is burdensome to click on the star button.

Because it artificially bloats the star count so that it no longer represents how many people are interested in the project.... Although if you've filed an issue you kind of are invested already

I might have no interest in or even actively dislike a project but it might be for work or for a customer or there might be no other option.

Filing an issue is not equivalent or a reasonable stand-in for interest and DEFINITELY not for regard or admiration.

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