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Paying Netflix $0.53/H, etc.

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Re: Paying Netflix $0.53/H, etc.

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Post by danpalmer »

edent wrote: post #43
danpalmer wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a startup many years ago that I can't remember the name of this who did a similar micropayment tipping sort of thing. The problem was that they essentially collected money on behalf of creators who had no idea the platform existed and they would have to then go and sign up to retrieve funds. I don't want to support creators through something they don't consent to using like that.

There was https://flattr.com/ and, more recently, https://twitter.com/coil But, yes, a complete chicken-and-egg problem.

It was Flattr, thanks edent! Very 2012, I actually shared an office with them but couldn't remember the name all this time later!

Re: Paying Netflix $0.53/H, etc.

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Post by ska »

deafpolygon wrote: post #7

Pretty inaccurate. "In 2020, each Netflix subscriber in the U.S. was watching an average of 3.2 hours of Netflix content per day." -- https://www.zippia.com/answers/how-many-hours-of-netflix-are... Let's say there's 4 weeks to a month - that's 12.8 hours a month. So using $23/m is going to be 1.8/h -- I'd be curious to see the median hours per month per user -- I am willing to bet the average is skewed by the top 20%…

I think you skipped from days to weeks, so you missed a factor of 7…

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Post by _ea1k »

LeafItAlone wrote: post #35
_ea1k wrote: post #33

YT is odd here. With that, you aren't paying for content but rather for the absence of unwanted content. How much are you paying per hour of unwanted ads?

They are all ad-free prices. Others have free and with-ad prices as well.

Yes, but most of them don't have full content available for free.

With YT, by far the most compelling reason to pay is to get rid of ads.

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Post by danpalmer »

notatoad wrote: post #54
danpalmer wrote: post #19

While the numbers might be a bit hit and miss, the comparison with individual creators is fascinating and definitely hits upon something that keeps me from subscribing to patreons/etc. I don't have just one creator who I would consistently want to support the most, there are probably 10-20 who I would like to support, however I'm not going to pay 10x of them $5/h for content when YouTube is 1x $0.50/h (and has their…

> I would like to support This is the attitude that makes people fork over $70/hr to CGPGrey. I like these people's content, and want to support them too. But they don't need my financial support. They're all making way more money than me and probably you. If they wanted some sort of micropayment they could ask for it, but they're all pushing for the $10/month rate instead. Your $1/mo is so inconsequential to them th…

So tldr: "don't forget to like and subscribe"? /s

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Post by eliblock »

readams wrote: post #53
eliblock wrote: post #47

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I had an idea for a pay-per-minute youtube, where your time watched gets credited to the creator. I would rather just pay per use than worry about whether I'm using my subscriptions enough to be worth it.

That's sort of how YouTube premium actually works; creators are paid an allocation based on time watched for premium users to replace ad revenue.

Yeah I guess in general I would just rather pay per use for streaming. Also it might feel more like directly supporting the creator.

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Post by danpalmer »

rglullis wrote: post #55
danpalmer wrote: post #50

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I do have a problem with the Brave/BAT system here, because it lacks consent from the creators. Brave show the user ads and grants them BAT, the user "gives" the BAT to the creator, and almost all creators won't know about this so it's in a black hole (controlled by Brave?). If I were a creator I'm not sure I'd like that, specifically not being able to opt-out at all(?) or at least not without signing up and giving m…

The BAT only leaves the user wallet if the creators joins the program. There is no black hole.

Ah good, that's better than Flattr and previous attempts at this then. Does this mean that if none of the creators you support accept BAT then you aren't paying anything?

Does it mean that if just one of them accepts it then you're paying all of your BAT to them? What if you mostly watch YouTube channels of people who wouldn't be onboard with it, but get linked one video by someone you don't like but they do accept it, do they get all your BAT that month?

Perhaps there are good answers to all of this, but getting it right sounds tricky!

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Post by c2h5oh »

Video games take an average of 18h to beat now: https://howlongtobeat.com/stats and on average players will play less than half of that https://deathisawhale.com/2021/01/20/how-many-players-actual...

Excluding multiplayer games with huge replayability AAA titles cost closer to $8-10/h of entertainment.

A LOT of AAA titles can be completed in about 10 hours and still cost $60

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Post by josh-sematic »

danpalmer wrote: post #42
josh-sematic wrote: post #23

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You can support one for a few months, switch to another, etc.. Or just roll a dice and pick one of your favorites to support and leave it to others to support the others you like. Something is better than nothing if you want to keep independent creators around.

Yeah all of this is just a lot of work and decisions, and rolling a dice just feels weird and unfair. I do pay for YT premium which distributes money across my views which is therefore somewhat fair, and I'm considering a Nebula subscription (if Curiosity Stream's sign up flow doesn't persuade me not to again). I wish that Patreon had a support format where I could pay, say, $20 a month to Patreon and have that sprea…

The dice strategy is only unfair if you look at it from the perspective that you’re the only one doing things that way. But lots of people are likely doing something similar to that so that on average across enough people it works out. I would wager that most people who support at least one creator probably still consume media from far more creators than they can afford to support, so they just pick one or two somehow and call it a day. It’s basically the way I do it.

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Post by swozey »

t3rabytes wrote: post #57
renewiltord wrote: post #26

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If you use Libby then it's tax dollars you've already paid that you're using. So marginal cost is $0/h.

Maybe I'm not trying to read books in the target market that my local library is trying to serve with what it has available on Libby, but I probably have a 5% success rate with books I'm trying to read actually being available on Libby. (Setting aside the very hostile payment structure that Libby imposes on libraries, which makes it look far less attractive as a tax-payer now that I know how it works)

If you don't know you can get a Brooklyn Public Library membership online not being a citizen of NY. They have one of if not the largest Libby/etc libraries. You'd get a card then put your # into Overdrive/Libby and check out books.

https://www.bklynlibrary.org/use-the-library/borrow

edit: Well nevermind apparently they stopped doing it. I can't even renew my card.. boo.

"As of July 15, 2022, Brooklyn Public Library is no longer offering its fee-based out-of-state library card. Our priority remains serving Brooklynites and assuring that they can access the materials they need in a timely manner. BPL Library cards remain free for anyone who lives, works, pays property taxes or attends school in New York State. Existing out-of-state accounts will remain active until their expiration date and will not be renewable."

Does anyone know of another huge library with online/out-of-State cards?

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Post by uncleshelby »

t3rabytes wrote: post #57
renewiltord wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you use Libby then it's tax dollars you've already paid that you're using. So marginal cost is $0/h.

Maybe I'm not trying to read books in the target market that my local library is trying to serve with what it has available on Libby, but I probably have a 5% success rate with books I'm trying to read actually being available on Libby. (Setting aside the very hostile payment structure that Libby imposes on libraries, which makes it look far less attractive as a tax-payer now that I know how it works)

This may just confirm that your local library doesn't have what you're looking for on Libby, but if you have a Goodreads to-read list, you may find https://projecttbr.com/ very helpful. I used to comb through my list of books to read manually and had a hard time finding anything I wanted to listen to, but this site made it a pretty easy process.
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