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Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

prmoustache wrote: post #57
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How's things like sleep, hibernate, system wide touchpad gestures, HW video decode and fractional scaling working in the land of linux these days? I know if you can live without those then Linux is daily drivable for a long time, but I need all of them to work flawlessly, and every time I try Linux on my bare metal laptop a lot of those features are still missing, janky or require research and tinkering. I really wan…

If you want to be 100% sure these things work, a number of companies are selling computers withnlinux preinstalled. Support is also usually easy to check beforehand with a web search.

What does the support of fractional scaling or touchpad gestures have to do with the laptop you're running on? Either the OS supports them or not, no need to buy a new Linux laptop for that, that's crazy.

Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by encom »

binkHN wrote: post #39

I've planned for this by migrating to Linux; I received a new machine with Windows 11 and was so abhorred by what an abomination it is that I switched my OS after using Windows for what feels like forever. Maybe 2025 will be the year of Linux on the desktop and we'll have Microsoft to thank? I know I have Microsoft to thank for opening my eyes to a Linux desktop.

I've done the same. I've used Linux for 15-20 years for various things, but never on my main desktop because of games. But now Steam on Linux makes running games very easy. Not every game works, but there are a lot that do, and I rely on Windows less and less for gaming. Hopefully one day I can blow away my Windows partition.

Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

oynqr wrote: post #55
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #48

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>but everything else works excellently, especially with KDE Everything else? Including Wayland, fractional scaling on non-Qt apps, sleep, hibernate and HW video decode? Yeah, I know if you have very common HW and restricted use cases, like track-point, USB mouse, display without fractional scaling, not using sleep/hibernate etc, then everything just works but those also "just worked" on Linux for the past 20 years. I…

GTK3/4 don't have proper fractional scaling anywhere, as far as I know. Also pretty sure it's not planned before GTK5.

Hence my annoyance.

As always, everything just works on Linux with the caveats that as long as you stay on the very fixed beaten path, never stray from it, only use X,Y,Z and avoid A,B,C, then everything just works, sure, but I'm not a college student anymore and my time is too valuable to tinker and find that new specific Linux path where everything just works in order to get the same desktop usability that Windows has out of the box with zero time investment.

It is what it is.

Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by ska »

JohnFen wrote: post #60
ska wrote: post #45

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It did vary, last time I checked, but I'm not up to date. Maybe time to try again.

With Debian, the key thing is that you usually have to install the non-free-firmware package to make things like WiFi work (anything that needs a proprietary blob). This isn't done automatically.

Yes, Over the years I've been through that (and other distros versions), downloaded/built alternate drivers etc.

Last time I tried a few years ago, it still seemed pretty hardware dependant as to whether you could ever get it all working quite right.

Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by redprince »

nayuki wrote: post #54

If I recall correctly, when Windows 10 was released, it was touted as the last version of Windows, the evergreen version with incremental updates. It took Microsoft less than a decade to break that promise.

But then people would just have continued to use their old hardware for many, many years, saving money and resources. Luckily that horrible future with diminished revenue for the PC industry was averted. /s

Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by binkHN »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #48
binkHN wrote: post #47

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> How's things like sleep, hibernate, system wide touchpad gestures, HW video decode and fractional scaling working in the land of linux these days? I use a ThinkPad, so I prefer the TrackPoint and rarely use the TrackPad, but everything else works excellently, especially with KDE.

>but everything else works excellently, especially with KDE Everything else? Including Wayland, fractional scaling on non-Qt apps, sleep, hibernate and HW video decode? Yeah, I know if you have very common HW and restricted use cases, like track-point, USB mouse, display without fractional scaling, not using sleep/hibernate etc, then everything just works but those also "just worked" on Linux for the past 20 years. I…

Almost all my applications are Qt; I have a new ThinkPad with an AMD 7840U and, yes, everything Just Works. Linux will always require more tinkering than Windows or Mac, and this machine didn't Just Work for the first two months that I had it as the BIOS needed updates and the Linux kernel needed them too, but I'm golden now.

Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by vetinari »

asveikau wrote: post #24
speed_spread wrote: post #9

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In all fairness, Windows 3.11 is so ancient that it is probably immune to (or overlooked by) most modern threats.

You're also pretty limited in what you can do and who you can communicate with on an older OS. For example, Windows XP doesn't support modern and commonly implemented TLS.

Windows 3.11 didn't come with TCP/IP stack, just IPX/SPX and NetBEUI. You had to install TCP/IP separately.

Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by binkHN »

nayuki wrote: post #54

If I recall correctly, when Windows 10 was released, it was touted as the last version of Windows, the evergreen version with incremental updates. It took Microsoft less than a decade to break that promise.

Less than a decade? You give them too much credit. Try six years.

Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by zamadatix »

dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #59
Alifatisk wrote: post #3

I would have updated if it wasn't for Windows 11 requiring a specific hardware. I'll stick to Windows 10, when it dies, I'll probably force myself to switch to Fedora or something.

I would have updated if it wasn't for Windows 11 having the option to ungroup tasks removed. I heard the rumor they would bring it back one day, but this day hasn't arrived yet.

This arrived a couple months ago.
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