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The pro-Israel information war

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Re: The pro-Israel information war

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> Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms. > If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views. That platforms prioritize one over the other is just one possible explanation. An alternative explanation is that more people already have those views. And it's dishonest to present one explanation and omit the other. N…

I don't think that parent is suggesting that platforms are actively prioritising one over the other. I think they are saying that the composition of users of these apps skews one way rather than the other due to pre existing stances, and the fact that the apps are not available in some markets. As a result, certain views are prioritised as a byproduct of the fact that all modern social media apps have an algorithm th…

> I think they are saying that the composition of users of these apps skews one way rather than the other due to pre existing stances

I think the notion that the vast chunk of Twitter or TikTok had a pre existing stance on Israel/Palestine before Oct 7 is kind of silly, imo? Before this I could scroll Twitter without seeing anything about Israel or Palestine for... idk. Weeks, months at a time. I'll maybe see one thing on Palestine being oppressed, usually about West Bank settlements, from the one or two people who happen to be Palestinian. Now I literally cannot avoid it whenever I open either app.

I really struggle to believe anyone beyond a small minority even thought about Palestine or Israel before Oct 7.

Re: The pro-Israel information war

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"That’s where the efforts of J-Ventures’ hasbara WhatsApp group come in. The group, which also includes attorneys and individuals affiliated with the influential American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), has tirelessly worked to fire employees and punish activists for expressing pro-Palestinian views." Is that even legal under US law? Apparently it is in some states. Federal law does not, apparently, prohibit…

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Re: The pro-Israel information war

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Anti-semitism in and of itself is unequivocally wrong. But conflating anti-Israeli views with anti-Semitic views does a disservice to Jews and Palestinians alike.

It depends on "Israeli what". Anti Israeli government: It's not antisemitic. Anti Israeli people: It's antisemitic.

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Anti-semitism in and of itself is unequivocally wrong. But conflating anti-Israeli views with anti-Semitic views does a disservice to Jews and Palestinians alike.

It depends on "Israeli what". Anti Israeli government: It's not antisemitic. Anti Israeli people: It's antisemitic.

It’s more complicated than that.

Criticizing Israeli settlements in the West Bank is not antisemitic. But suggesting that Israel has no right to exist as a Jewish state is antisemitic as it implies ethnic cleansing.

Both are arguably criticisms of the Israeli government.

Re: The pro-Israel information war

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I would be surprised if clever people were actually confused about that. Only a rich person like PG can afford to say the emperor has no clothes.

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I dunno. I’m pretty sure I’m innocent of the horrors of the Iraq war even though I have been a US citizen over 60 years. Blaming civilians for the actions of their government is kind of what terrorists do.

Re: The pro-Israel information war

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Information warfare has being part of war for a long time. It is happening from both sides of this war with multiple players taking part. Israel obviously has a large amount of resources dedicated to it, but Arab states and Russia a chipping in heavily too on the other side.

This. Take everything you read with a grain of salt.

Re: The pro-Israel information war

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post #41

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Anti-semitism in and of itself is unequivocally wrong. But conflating anti-Israeli views with anti-Semitic views does a disservice to Jews and Palestinians alike.

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This is a very interesting point of view, I was not aware of this.

Is there any reliable data on how Muslim Israeli citizens view their own situation e.g. freedom of speech and political participation?

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