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Re: Sergey Brin's Clarification On Guardian article

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Post by lukeschlather »

jessriedel wrote: post #13
gaius wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google's elaborate tax-avoidance schemes mean they forfeit the right to an opinion on what the UK government does.

If I maintain a free, US-based, ad-supported website which caters to Iranians (and so pay no Iranian taxes), do I forfeit the right to an opinion on filtering by the Iranian government?

Google has datacenters in the UK, so I think that's one fault in your argument. Also, Google sells ads, search services, email, office tools, and other things. Yours and my personal use of the service may cost us nothing, but I'm sure that Google sells millions of dollars worth of services to customers in the UK.

Re: Sergey Brin's Clarification On Guardian article

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Post by Jun8 »

AVTizzle wrote: post #9

Refreshing response from Sergey. The Guardian article made him come off very immature. The article brought to my mind a presentation Roger McNamee (Elevation Partners) has been circulating -"10 Hypothesis for Technology Investing." A number of the points in the presentation illustrate a challenging future for Google: - Index Search has peaked: Google's position of dominance on the web is fading, due largely in part t…

This is an excellent deck, why have not seen this before! Was this on HN?

I agree with almost all his points, insiders are very bullish on Apple, the feeling's that %600 is nowhere near the peak, it'll be more like $1K. On the other hand, Google has started to give off the "has-peaked" vibe: the silly badmouthing of rivals, huge reorgs, half-thought out failed projects, not being clear of where to go next and milking the usual cow, etc.

One important point that he makes that I think is important to reiterate is how open the mobile area is, since non of the big guys currently have good extensions. So I think we'll see more of the Instagram-type successes (probably not on the $1B level, though).

Takeaways if you're an up and coming, young (or otherwise) developer: Learn the Apple stack (70% of your time) and learn HTML5/JS (20%).

Re: Sergey Brin's Clarification On Guardian article

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Post by [deleted] »

Jun8 wrote: post #62
AVTizzle wrote: post #9

Refreshing response from Sergey. The Guardian article made him come off very immature. The article brought to my mind a presentation Roger McNamee (Elevation Partners) has been circulating -"10 Hypothesis for Technology Investing." A number of the points in the presentation illustrate a challenging future for Google: - Index Search has peaked: Google's position of dominance on the web is fading, due largely in part t…

This is an excellent deck, why have not seen this before! Was this on HN? I agree with almost all his points, insiders are very bullish on Apple, the feeling's that %600 is nowhere near the peak, it'll be more like $1K. On the other hand, Google has started to give off the "has-peaked" vibe: the silly badmouthing of rivals, huge reorgs, half-thought out failed projects, not being clear of where to go next and milking…

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Re: Sergey Brin's Clarification On Guardian article

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Post by AVTizzle »

Jun8 wrote: post #62
AVTizzle wrote: post #9

Refreshing response from Sergey. The Guardian article made him come off very immature. The article brought to my mind a presentation Roger McNamee (Elevation Partners) has been circulating -"10 Hypothesis for Technology Investing." A number of the points in the presentation illustrate a challenging future for Google: - Index Search has peaked: Google's position of dominance on the web is fading, due largely in part t…

This is an excellent deck, why have not seen this before! Was this on HN? I agree with almost all his points, insiders are very bullish on Apple, the feeling's that %600 is nowhere near the peak, it'll be more like $1K. On the other hand, Google has started to give off the "has-peaked" vibe: the silly badmouthing of rivals, huge reorgs, half-thought out failed projects, not being clear of where to go next and milking…

Agreed, and yeah - it's actually the one thing I've ever submitted (I'm a relative n00b), but it didn't get any ups.

I feel strongly about pushing it and getting it out there though. What's the etiquette on resubmissions?

Re: Sergey Brin's Clarification On Guardian article

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Post by Jun8 »

AVTizzle wrote: post #64
Jun8 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an excellent deck, why have not seen this before! Was this on HN? I agree with almost all his points, insiders are very bullish on Apple, the feeling's that %600 is nowhere near the peak, it'll be more like $1K. On the other hand, Google has started to give off the "has-peaked" vibe: the silly badmouthing of rivals, huge reorgs, half-thought out failed projects, not being clear of where to go next and milking…

Agreed, and yeah - it's actually the one thing I've ever submitted (I'm a relative n00b), but it didn't get any ups. I feel strongly about pushing it and getting it out there though. What's the etiquette on resubmissions?

I think you can definitely resubmit, but pick your time wisely, there are many HN discussions on this.

Re: Sergey Brin's Clarification On Guardian article

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Post by AVTizzle »

Jun8 wrote: post #65
AVTizzle wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed, and yeah - it's actually the one thing I've ever submitted (I'm a relative n00b), but it didn't get any ups. I feel strongly about pushing it and getting it out there though. What's the etiquette on resubmissions?

I think you can definitely resubmit, but pick your time wisely, there are many HN discussions on this.

Late-morning to early afternoon, I'm reading? Fuck it, we'll do it live! :)

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3858936

Re: Sergey Brin's Clarification On Guardian article

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Post by pyre »

dnda wrote: post #22
Tloewald wrote: post #20

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Google have entered the Chinese market, compromised their values and still got their asses handed to them by Baidu, then pulled out. Not quite the same thing.

Care to support your theory with numbers and facts?

Google was in China until their internal network was (supposedly) compromised by the the Chinese Government. This is a fact.

Google was not the #1 search engine in China. This is also a fact.

Whether they 'got their ass handed to them' is another story, which could be supported by numbers, though it's somewhat subjective.

Re: Sergey Brin's Clarification On Guardian article

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Post by eternalban »

lukeschlather wrote: post #59
eternalban wrote: post #37

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Central servers must go. We must also disentangle presence management, identity, and services built on top of those layers. Access to identity must be layered and fully subject to user control. I am personally remiss in this matter as I thought deeply about all this when ICQ came out in mid 90s (and even filed a PPA on April 1st 1997 with USPTO on my take on the solution) but did not advocate effectively enough for t…

Can we create a trusted identity service that doesn't rely on centralized highly-trusted nodes? It seems necessary to me that the government or other large associations (/corporations) are the only entities with the resources necessary to secure and maintain decent authentication services. I can't say I'm fond of the idea of maintaining a personal auth server so I can participate in society (and I'm one of our privil…

I couldn't design my way around a centralized bootstrap node, but after that, it can be decentralized. And it has to be highly trusted, so the vision for the ur-node was a bunch of servers in Switzerland inside a vault, run by a public non-profit; subject to random audits; and funded by the IP royalties of the projected patent. (But thank God we can now rely on the good graces of concerned geeks such as Sergey Brin who have millions to spare. (Right Sergey?))

Yes, there is need for user agents running on the user's devices. Your chrome browser transparently maintains a https connection to mother ship (last I checked). I don't think that part of it is really an issue.

Re: Sergey Brin's Clarification On Guardian article

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Post by Natsu »

rbarooah wrote: post #11
tferris wrote: post #7

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Sorry, I don't get your point. You can be successful with your product on the WWW without employing any Google services, being totally independent. If people and other sites like you and link back to you your traffic will quickly skyrocket —which feels natural. You are not obliged to use any Google service like GA. Just use the Internet and its open standards and you are ready to go because Google left the Internet's…

I agree that you don't get my point. The reason Google hasn't built a walled garden around the internet because they simply don't yet have the power to do that. You talk as if it was something they could easily have done but have chosen not to. I disagree. They just aren't in a position to do it. It makes no sense at all to say that innovation on the web has vanished because of the Appstore. We are in in a boom time…

> The reason Google hasn't built a walled garden around the internet because they simply don't yet have the power to do that.

Google has more power than many others who have built walled gardens in the past.

Re: Sergey Brin's Clarification On Guardian article

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Post by sounds »

eternalban wrote: post #37
sounds wrote: post #33

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I follow your logic. I agree. What concrete action would you suggest to make the internet more democratic?

Central servers must go. We must also disentangle presence management, identity, and services built on top of those layers. Access to identity must be layered and fully subject to user control. I am personally remiss in this matter as I thought deeply about all this when ICQ came out in mid 90s (and even filed a PPA on April 1st 1997 with USPTO on my take on the solution) but did not advocate effectively enough for t…

I'm loving this discussion, but how would we convince even 1% of internet users to switch?

Unless I am badly mistaken, you propose we tell people: "abandon all the services you've grown to like about the internet. Let's reboot the internet within the confines of this new secure service."

No sarcasm intended - a new service, with real security, would still lack a "killer app."

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