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Hetzner is terminating contracts with all users who had a Russian postal address

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Re: Hetzner is terminating contracts with all users who had a Russian postal address

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Post by hurflmurfl »

Detrytus wrote: post #8

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I think this doesn't quite qualify if it only affects customers that are currently in Russia. If a person was born in Russia, created their Hetzner account there, then emigrated, and they still get their account closed, that's "judging them for something in the past that they had no control over" - quite similar to racism in my book. If they get a chance to show that they are not "based in Russia" and then their account is not closed, then I think it doesn't qualify, because in that case it's really an action against a country as a whole, not the people who happened to be born there.

Re: Hetzner is terminating contracts with all users who had a Russian postal address

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Post by jacquesm »

ziddoap wrote: post #32
libertine wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you hope they take a massive financial hit, while liking them? Edit: missed the "not"

Perhaps parent edited, but there is a "not" in the sentence. "I hope this is not going to be a massive hit"

I don't think it was edited, still had a very early version of the comment open, but it's easy to misread.

Re: Hetzner is terminating contracts with all users who had a Russian postal address

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Post by jacquesm »

expertentipp wrote: post #60
jacquesm wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but for Hetzner execs there is more at stake than $ here and they are more than aware of seeing a change of address in light of this notice as a fig leaf without substance. Not everybody is incompetent, even if some are.

...and execs in western world paid consequences of their illegal decisions when, recently?

All over Europe, in fact.

Quite a few arrests and already a bunch of convictions.

Re: Hetzner is terminating contracts with all users who had a Russian postal address

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Post by jacquesm »

yread wrote: post #58

Unfortunately, a lot of russian companies (especially the dodgy ones) are registered in Cyprus

Yes, that's true, and likely it will be one of the last safe-havens for many reasons. Cyprus has been a problem for decades but it's a very hard nut to crack on account of Turkish and Greek relations with the EU as well as the fact that if it ever does get rolled up it will make the Panama Papers look like a boy scout outing.

Re: Hetzner is terminating contracts with all users who had a Russian postal address

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Post by jacquesm »

oxfordmale wrote: post #23
jon-wood wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whatever legal change happened says they can’t do business with Russians. I doubt there’s a get out clause saying “unless you got a year up front out of them” in that law.

OFAC(Office of Foreign Assets Control) sanctions are clear-cut and they can issue very large fines for non-compliance. These sanctions have been in place for a while now. It sounds like someone flagged this to their legal department, who then advised to go nuclear, given the threat of large fines.

You can go to jail for this, it doesn't just stop at fines.

Re: Hetzner is terminating contracts with all users who had a Russian postal address

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Post by gizmo »

flohofwoe wrote: post #54
gizmo wrote: post #38

Does any company fire their American customers because of the calamitous Iraq war and related war crimes? Do companies fire their Israeli customers because of the current bombing campaign? What about Argentinian customers? Melei has contempt for European style democracy. Should Chinese customers get the boot because of the horrific treatment of Uyghurs by the Chinese Party? Should Hetzner also fire their German custo…

What about... what about... what about... Western Europe really tried after 1990 to integrate with Eastern Europe and it worked pretty well for most former socialist countries, but not with Russia and Belarus. And not for lack of trying on behalf of the Western European countries, if anything the West had been too naive for too long.

I'm pointing out clear hypocrisy. That's not whataboutism.

Re: Hetzner is terminating contracts with all users who had a Russian postal address

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Post by severino »

xtian wrote: post #45

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Why give your money back to a company that treated you like that? It's not that Hetzner is doing this because they care about victims, war, etc., no, it's purely political, as they will not be terminating contracts with American or Israeli citizens. So if I were a Russian client of Hetzner, that would be the last place I'd put my money into.
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