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Re: Apple and Google Monitor Notifications. We Need Push Notification Alternatives

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Post by cobertos »

xrd wrote: post #46
cobertos wrote: post #37

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I use Zoho for my client's email host and I like it for that, but I try not to use any of its clients except for necessary configuration. I configure Zoho into my clients devices for them in their phone mail app (with iPhone I use EAS so they get the email instantly with push). For my personal Zoho addresses (admin stuff) I have them send to my FastMail account. I really like FastMail's web app and Android app. So mu…

Thanks so much for you comment. I'm very intrigued. I'm not sure I understand which clients and which services you use here. You use Fastmail, which is a paid service for email, right? But it sounds like you also use Zoho services as well. Why both? Zoho is so cheap: I pay $12/yr for multiple domains and multiple email addresses on each domain. It was a little tricky to validate the domains and get them added, but it…

Yup, correct, I use FastMail and Zoho. I used Zoho for my clients' emails because it's just so cheap to add extra users. $1/mo/user. Which makes it easy to resell to clients and not worry about margin. I just found more personal preference for FastMail for managing my own stuff.

I have about 5 domain emails (different domains), 3 Gmails (down from 10!), and some from from Zoho I all manage in FastMail. It was a breathe of fresh air after leaving GSuite. I pay for the $50/yr plan ($5/mo monthly).

Hard to say what FastMail would add for you. It checked my boxes at the time I was switching from GSuite/GMail but it has been a quality of life improvement for sure

Re: Apple and Google Monitor Notifications. We Need Push Notification Alternatives

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Post by kelnos »

codedokode wrote: post #41

Why don't people disable notifications? It must be really annoying if you have 10 apps and every hour they distract you with messages like "buy now! A new product with 10% discount (and 300% markup)" or "where are you? you haven't been watching videos from StupidBlogger for 1 hour".

I do have many notifications disabled, but there are still plenty I find useful. I allow messaging apps to both put up a push notification, and vibrate my phone. My email app (and others) can put up a notification but isn't allowed to bother me with a vibration.

I don't get why people allow marketing notifications. If an app gives me a marketing notification without a way to disable it, that app gets uninstalled immediately. (Apps shouldn't even put up marketing notifications without you opting in first, but sadly this is the world we live in.)

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Post by kelnos »

misnome wrote: post #38
politelemon wrote: post #30

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It is hypocrisy to advertise yourself as something that you are not. Yours is a deliberate mis-telling or misinterpretation to make them appear saying something they're not. > I don’t know anyone who interprets Apple’s stance on Privacy as “They will break the law for you”, only in contrast to… everyone else (?) selling your advertising data? I know that most people will assume that everything is private and hidden a…

> assuming that privacy = breaking the law is something you are foisting on, and is in poor form. What privacy do you have that isn't subject to the law? Outside of your own brain, can't literally everything be subject to a legal order to gain access? It seems to me that your definition of absolute privacy is extreme, extremely specific to you, and renders the word essentially meaningless; This does of course make it…

I think the GP's point is that Apple's marketing may make it seem (to many people) like Apple's security is set up in such a way that the law isn't relevant, and that users' data is encrypted and handled in such a way that even if Apple is ordered by a court to divulge something, they are simply unable to do so.

And that's true, to some limited extent, but (some) people believe it's true to an absolute extent.

Apple doesn't need to tell people they will break the law in order to maintain their privacy; they just need to insinuate that user data is handled in a way such that it's out of the law's reach.

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Post by olliej »

yencabulator wrote: post #56
olliej wrote: post #7

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I really want to like onion, but literally the only thing I can reliably find is search engines with drug and porn ads, and most results to any query I do throw in are non-responsive, and those that aren't broken are still incredibly slow.

Well, let's put an end to that literally: https://www.facebook.com/onion-service

Facebook is a cesspit on the normal web, is it really better on tor/onion?

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Post by WesolyKubeczek »

HowardStark wrote: post #16
WesolyKubeczek wrote: post #5

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systemd-networkd and NetworkManager have something to that effect. There’s however a big difference between an interface coming online, an interface getting its addresses, a particular address being resolvable and reachable, and the particular address being routed to the place you actually want to reach. In an ideal world, you want all four; NM kinda sorta has it. There are d-bus APIs, just maybe not easy to use in s…

This irked me recently. I think it’s very reasonable for networkd to delegate everything after the interface meets an “online criteria” to later services. However I was disappointed that you couldn’t then tell networkd an interface was “active” (vs. online) later down the line. Would be interested to hear how you & others approach this. Perhaps I’m not thinking systemd-y enough hah.

Can you describe your use case in a bit more detail? (Also to make sure it’s not really a XY problem)

systemd-networkd sure keeps some state tracking. There are systems where it’s the only thing managing the network, so it doesn’t have anything to delegate to. You can see it by running networkctl before and after yanking the Ethernet cable.

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Post by sliken »

fmajid wrote: post #12
olliej wrote: post #6

People really don't understand the attack here. It does not matter who is providing the notification service. No amount of encryption (actual E2EE encryption) prevents that ability for a government agency or criminal enterprise to functionally compromise the service to determine which users are getting push notifications from which other users or services. It also does not matter if you use push notifications (which…

There are systems like MIT's Alpenhorn and Vuvuzela that protect metadata like push notifications by using encryption and deliberately adding noise to foil traffic analysis. Notably both sender and receiver are kept private and you do not need an out-of-band key exchange mechanism to initiate communications for the first time.

I've wondered if signal would be more secure if each signal account periodically sent a message to another signal message. The client would of course decrypt, notice it's just a fake/noise message, reply to it, and then delete it.

Re: Apple and Google Monitor Notifications. We Need Push Notification Alternatives

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Post by sliken »

codedokode wrote: post #41

Why don't people disable notifications? It must be really annoying if you have 10 apps and every hour they distract you with messages like "buy now! A new product with 10% discount (and 300% markup)" or "where are you? you haven't been watching videos from StupidBlogger for 1 hour".

Any app that does that gets removed.

I ditched a samsung galaxy note because of that, it would do stupid things like send me a notification for each local NFL game, which I couldn't disable. Amazon's kindle app and amazon prime video app did similar.

It's pretty easy, I'd expect anyone that values their attention to remove the app or silence the notifications.

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