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Re: Kagi Search – Paywalled articles indicator and improved weather widget

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Post by lovich »

jcul wrote: post #32
aryonoco wrote: post #17

Every once in a while, I looked for an alternative to Google. I have given them all a go, but none of them stayed as my default for more than a few days. Until Kagi. I absolutely did not think I would pay for a search engine. Especially as I've recently been on a quest to cut every unnecessary subscription. YouTube Premium is gone (thanks to 83/% family plan price hike). Half of my dozen or so domains are gone... you…

Yes, also the same experience. Who would pay for search right? I signed up for the $10 plan, before they introduced unlimited searches. One month I went over and thought ok, I'm not really ok with making more than 10. A few weeks later they switched to unlimited. The lens feature is great. I have one for searching my company's public documentation etc. The redirect thing is great too, it can rewrite URLs on the fly,…

Reddit to old.Reddit as a feature is enough to make me look into this as a replacement search engine. My search experience for specific information that’s kept on subreddits has been hell since they introduced new Reddit.

If it can automate for me navigating to Reddit, then modifying the url to old.Reddit, and hopefully not accidentally clicking on the page and needing to reverse back or get redirected based on the content, then that’s probably worth 10 dollars a month already

Re: Kagi Search – Paywalled articles indicator and improved weather widget

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Post by oriettaxx »

hovering_nox wrote: post #35
aryonoco wrote: post #17

Every once in a while, I looked for an alternative to Google. I have given them all a go, but none of them stayed as my default for more than a few days. Until Kagi. I absolutely did not think I would pay for a search engine. Especially as I've recently been on a quest to cut every unnecessary subscription. YouTube Premium is gone (thanks to 83/% family plan price hike). Half of my dozen or so domains are gone... you…

I feel like people are sleeping on Kagi FastGPT, its their amazing search combined with their summariser and a llm model that gives me the answers directly without having to search myself. https://kagi.com/fastgpt

totally agree!

Re: Kagi Search – Paywalled articles indicator and improved weather widget

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Post by tyingq »

puttycat wrote: post #56

Kagi is currently great. Can someone explain what makes it more resilient to AI-generated garbage than Google? (If at all)

Of course, I can't prove it, but the search results on Google look like they tried to win the spam wars with some variation of page rank that's skewed by "big brand power". Like they have some seed list of trusted brands, and graph proximity to that boosts your site over the pure spam. That, of course, penalizes genuinely good content that has no such proximity.

Kagi's various posts about their algorithm consistently talk about the value of "non-commercial content" and indexes to make sure they don't get lost. Like this post: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/search-details/search-quality.htm... Which sort of sounds like the same idea, but with more time and attention to curating a better list.

Re: Kagi Search – Paywalled articles indicator and improved weather widget

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Post by Uninen »

I've been using Kagi for a while now and I love it.

My only gripe is the usability on iOS as it keeps logging me off every now and then (it feels like more often than many other sites) which then results in a login screen when you're trying to search something and after the re-login the query you already wrote once is now lost.

Re: Kagi Search – Paywalled articles indicator and improved weather widget

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Post by sph »

widenrun wrote: post #53
aryonoco wrote: post #17

Every once in a while, I looked for an alternative to Google. I have given them all a go, but none of them stayed as my default for more than a few days. Until Kagi. I absolutely did not think I would pay for a search engine. Especially as I've recently been on a quest to cut every unnecessary subscription. YouTube Premium is gone (thanks to 83/% family plan price hike). Half of my dozen or so domains are gone... you…

Exactly, it reminds me of this: "Drift to low performance is a gradual process. If the system state plunged quickly, there would be an agitated corrective process. But if it drifts down slowly enough to erase the memory of (or belief in) how much better things used to be, everyone is lulled into lower and lower expectations, lower effort, lower performance." -- From the book "Thinking in Systems".

A very fancy way of saying that the best way to boil a frog is to heat it slowly.

Re: Kagi Search – Paywalled articles indicator and improved weather widget

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Post by salad-tycoon »

I like Kagi , I do. I like the ranking, I like how I can search for controversial people and not have my intended search target censored by obfuscation. Kagi just gives me the data. That’s great!

I pay the 5 a month but I run out mid month which makes me not use it and breaks the habit and worry. I’m considering the 10 a month but then I think I get 500gb e2ee cloud+email+email hosting+vpn+a couple of other small things from proton for $8.33 a month.

I guess I’m a heavy user, one day supposedly I had >30 searches (that I don’t recall). I want to pay but not that much. So I just learn to live with an inferior product.

So now I’m stuck between wanting to pay more and wanting to outright cancel.

Although sometimes reading HN news updates feels a bit weird/ad like (watch how negative downvotes get greyed out) I enjoy seeing them work on it and wish them the most success.

Ps I do appreciate their ios and mac apps that help with safari. Sadly I think all the spotlight, look up, and Siri searches still get processed out of kagis world. Obviously, not in their control.

Good luck Kagi.

Re: Kagi Search – Paywalled articles indicator and improved weather widget

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Post by sph »

gostsamo wrote: post #46
strogonoff wrote: post #45

I’m wary of making Kagi a habit since I am positive in medium term they won’t be profitable with their current model. Flat rate won’t cover outliers and abusers, so once they really start losing money on expensive LLM-based features the regular users will get burnt—either I will have to pay more, or the experience will get worse due to cost-cutting measures, or they betray my trust by monetizing user data, accepting…

Just drop them when they fail/become bad. No reason to miss now for some future eventuality which does not affect the present.

Yeah it's a philosophy I've started to adopt. Better to get in when the product is new and there is hype, to enjoy fast-paced improvements from a new competitor that just wants to create a cool product, than to come in later when the hype has died down, the original founders have exited and the enshittification starts.

We all know the hype cycle of programming languages. Hype, disillusion then plateau of productivity. It's not the same with startups: there is only hype, peak, followed a long descent to the mean and death.

The hipsters were right.

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